What IS MATT 16:18 REALLY TEACHING ?

[Xeno.of.athens]

The reason why you're experiencing opposition is because you are presenting extremely poor apologetics.

I am not presenting apologetics; my posts are stating well known and well documented teaching. I am not an apologist. Apologetics is a mugs game in places like CF.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Actually it's three heads; Jesus, Mary, Pope.

What a repugnant thing to write!

 

[One God and Father of All]

Actually it's three heads; Jesus, Mary, Pope.

There is some ancient pagan art that shows their gods with three heads. Like some freak of nature.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

There is some ancient pagan art that shows their gods with three heads. Like some freak of nature.

Except that the art is not pagan; it is Christian art.

 

[ozso]

I am not presenting apologetics; my posts are stating well known and well documented teaching. I am not an apologist. Apologetics is a mugs game in places like CF.

Okay I'll put it this way; a lot of what you've been saying is not convincing.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Except that the art is not pagan; it is Christian art.

It can’t be Christian art because Christian art would picture a body with only one head just as the scripture declares.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Okay I'll put it this way; a lot of what you've been saying is not convincing.

I am not trying to convince you about anything. I wrote, as I said, well known and well documented teaching. What you do with it is up to you.

 

[ozso]

What a repugnant thing to write!

How so? The pope is called the head of the RCC and the RCC has sayings like "know Mary, know Jesus - no Mary, no Jesus".

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It can’t be Christian art because Christian art would picture a body with only one head just as the scripture declares.

take a look at this: images of the Holy Trinity in Christian Art - Google Search

 

[ozso]

I am not trying to convince you about anything. I wrote, as I said, well known and well documented teaching. What you do with it is up to you.

In other words you're parroting Roman Catholic apologetics.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

How so? The pope is called the head of the RCC and the RCC has sayings like "know Mary, know Jesus - no Mary, no Jesus".

I have never seen such a thing as "know Mary, know Jesus - no Mary, no Jesus".

 

[ozso]

take a look at this: images of the Holy Trinity in Christian Art - Google Search

Where's the one with more than one head on one body?

One God and Father of All said:
It can’t be Christian art because Christian art would picture a body with only one head just as the scripture declares.

 

[One God and Father of All]

How so? The pope is called the head of the RCC and the RCC has sayings like "know Mary, know Jesus - no Mary, no Jesus".

They can’t even see how they dishonor Christ by setting up a new head of the body.
He says it is well documented but has yet to show where.it’s certainly not well documented in scripture that's for sure and without any doubt. There is one head over the body, Christ. And that IS well documented!

 

[ozso]

I have never seen such a thing as "know Mary, know Jesus - no Mary, no Jesus".

It's in the signature of a staunch Roman Catholic member of CF.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It's in the signature of a staunch Roman Catholic member of CF.

And you present that as evidence of Catholic Church teaching?

 

[ozso]

And you present that as evidence of Catholic Church teaching?

How about it coming from a senior apologist of the RCC?

No Mary, No Jesus…Know Mary, know Jesus!

This is a quote that I heard on the radio this morning from Tim Staples. He explained that it is often attributed to the Blessed Mother Teresa, but she did not in fact ever say it. However, he s…

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[Xeno.of.athens]

How about it coming from a senior apologist of the RCC?

No Mary, No Jesus…Know Mary, know Jesus!

This is a quote that I heard on the radio this morning from Tim Staples. He explained that it is often attributed to the Blessed Mother Teresa, but she did not in fact ever say it. However, he s…

catholicjournaling.wordpress.com

doesn't make the grade.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Catholics say that their teaching about Mary comes from an infallible declaration of a a Pope..IOW, what the previous Pope has said regarding Mary is infallible.
Therefore, it doesn’t matter if it’s what the scripture says, it only matter’s what pope what’s his name said.

 

[ozso]

Catholics say that their teaching about Mary comes from an infallible declaration of a a Pope..IOW, what the previous Pope has said regarding Mary is infallible.
Therefore, it doesn’t matter if it’s what the scripture says, it only matter’s what pope what’s his name said.

There's a lot of back and forth on that. The claim is the infallibility is subject to new revelations from the Holy Spirit, it only matters if it's decided the Pope was speaking "ex cathedra" etc.

"Since the declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I (1870), Flinn states, the only example of an ex cathedra statement thereafter took place in 1950, when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as an article of faith" Link

 

[ozso]

doesn't make the grade.

Not unlike most of the stuff I've read from other Roman Catholics regarding Catholocism on CF.

In my years of being in threads like this, so far the only compelling thing I've read from Catholics regarding Catholocism is the comparison of Isaiah 22:20-22 to Matthew 16:18-19.