What is L.O.V.E.? (Matthew 22:36-40)

[razzelflabben]

If you really, truly believe that....

Then give up on me.

But if you will continue, you will learn that I......am.....waiting...

But I keep responding, so you'll know I'm not ignoring you.

You say I refuse to respond.....ok.

You have choices. May love guide you to make the wise one.

"Love creates patients out of patience."

responding isn't the issue...responding to what I actually did say is the issue. I'm sure if you try you can figure out the difference.

 

[razzelflabben]

So let's try an experiment with your latest "note" you say that love and lust are "twins of pleasure"...now the Matthew 22 passage you presented in the title of this thread says, " ‘Love your neighbor as yourself." Now I am sure a narcissist might lust after themselves but apart from that, who lusts after themselves? Yet we Love ourselves.

Also notice in the passage this gem, "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” This basically is talking about the OT law. So what it is really suggesting is that all of the law that we like to rail against is showing us what real Love is. What does that say to us about your connection between love and lust? Scripture tells us that lusting is sin but Love is not.

Now remember, there is a difference between the world version of love and the Biblical version of Love which you don't seem to be able to grasp.

 

[ZoeyLouLou]

Love is a Verb by DC Talk

Good stuff. Good stuff.
Note: The band is amazing, but this is one of their first songs. The video is so awful it makes you smile Please do not judge the group by this. I find it enjoyable

 

[GosDontez]

like I said, when you are ready to talk AND listen rather than just talk and mock let me know we could have a great conversation if you were willing to participate.

Mocking IS listening, because if you aren't listening you can't effectively mock.

Besides, it's done out of love. You're a fascinating study for love.

But I can't do this the way it seems you want. Again, I'm.........waiting....

 

[GosDontez]

Love is a funny, indefinable, limitless thing. When they say that God is Love, they are correct. You rarely know what it is, you only know what it is not. It does what it needs to do.

Hey there, Petros. Welcome to the discussion.

A critique.

How can you define that love is funny....then countermand or contradict in the very next word by saying it's indefinable?

The ball is now in your court of law. Judge you, your statement.

 

[razzelflabben]

Mocking IS listening, because if you aren't listening you can't effectively mock.

Besides, it's done out of love. You're a fascinating study for love.

But I can't do this the way it seems you want. Again, I'm.........waiting....

how can you do it? I offered definitions based on extensive study and you didn't like that. I showed where your definition had problems and you didn't like that. Now I am taking to you scripture itself and you don't like that. What do you like? Oh and don't forget I critic ed your statements and you didn't like that either.

 

[GosDontez]

Where it is painfully true that the things of the Spirit (God) cannot be understood by the things of the flesh (world) it is equally true that you would have to work hard at not understanding the basic concepts of what I have said. This willfulness makes effective communication impossible and not worth wasting time over. If you want to change your willful attempts to not understand to willingly listening and trying I'll be happy to stay otherwise I simply won't waste my time and instead will invest that time in something and/or someone willing to communicate.

Ok. Thanks for your words. God bless.

 

[razzelflabben]

Ok. Thanks for your words. God bless.

You would give up so easily? I asked you a question I would think that you could at least be kind enough to answer...Love is kind after all.

Interesting side note. The word used in I Corinthians 13 for Love is kind is a useful kindness. IOW's that action you tried to define out of it is included in 1 Corinthians 13. It is a kindness that does something useful for another person. Interesting, isn't it?

 

[GosDontez]

since you refuse to see what is being said and I know from scripture I am right on this, we will not be in one accord until or unless you listen to what scripture tells us about Love.

You have a good journey, my Lady. And may your days and nights be blessed with the pleasure of milk and cookies.

The warm kind. Always the best.

You will be missed.

 

[razzelflabben]

You have a good journey, my Lady. And may your days and nights be blessed with the pleasure of milk and cookies.

The warm kind. Always the best.

You will be missed.

Love is patient...the patience here is long suffering. Remember in the first definition I gave you where I said it created a covenant...this is a long suffering Love that remains till there is no longer need or hope. Are you suggesting that you have no hope in communicating with me because you refuse to listen?

BTW, think in this long suffering the sufferings of Christ as an example of what it is and the covenant He made with all who believe even His enemies.

 

[GosDontez]

I really like how you've laid out support for your thought on this. You definitely have a strong, philosophical sense. And I think you do give a strong case for including the concept of passion in your definition of love; I may be persuaded that something of this conceptual nature should be included.

However, one catch for me in this is that we are focusing on "Christological Love," and this kind of affection also requires that we 'love' ... even our enemies. So, I'm left wondering: How much positive passion do you think may be entailed in one person's love as it relates to dealing (or contending) with one's enemies? For instance, I just saw the movie, Get Out, a rather discomfiting Gothic thriller. How does one include passion in one's love for enemies who are of such a kind?

My example above isn't given to show that you're wrong--because on a general level, I think you're right--but rather I bring it up to point out that there are some complexities, maybe even some deep social complications, in working out a definition for Christological type love. I certainly don't have 'all' the answers on this ...

But, in the words of a profound author I've just read, "what say you"?

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

(So you know, been cogitating on this. Just gonna reply when I ger home. Also, been sparring with another poster. It's like chopping off the ear of a Roman, only to have the Lord put it back on.

Ok, I'm going to hell for that. But.....I'll be baxk in 3 days. < )

 

[GosDontez]

No. Suffering can also be a feeling and a noun.

(Don't know if you're still around, but I missed this post.)

My response would have been...

"But a feeling is a noun. Did I misunderstand?"

(Again, don't know if you're still around.)

 

[GosDontez]

You're most welcome, brother GosDontez! And by the way, I'm glad you've joined us here at CF.

3 words or less for another description of "love," eh? Well, let's see.

How about: Charity given selflessly. OR, Compassion extended graciously. I'll stop there with the adverbial phrases. I want to give others a chance to contribute, too.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

(Oh goody, I was looking for this reply. Found it!)

When I was asked in return (and it only happened once, which is weird) what I thought love was in 3 words or less, my response was....

"A building process."

See, during the survey, I made it clear there was no right or wrong answer for the purposes of the survey. Early testing revealed that people thought they were talking a math test or something and feared they'd get it wrong....lol

Once I made that clear, this freed people up to pick words.

But here is something I wrote. It's a raw note on 'the building process' response I gave. But it's a bit long.

I'd like your thoughts on these thoughts I had when I began this study and started making observations based on the responses I received.

Again, it's a bit long, and I have not edited it because I don't usually do that during raw note-taking. So I hope you'll overlook any grammatical errors...

The Love Study. Notes. P1.

1. What Is Love? What Love Is.
2. Do you understand love?
3. How do you love?
4. Is love a law?
5. Can love ever be a bad (negative) thing? (...of money, etc.)
6. What grammatical part-of-speech is love? (Noun, verb, adjective, etc.)

Love is a building process so I'm gathering materials and ingredients in order to build a Love Boat (think a new Noah's ark) where I will make a Love Cake then serve it to those patients patiently waiting being rewarded for their paitience on our journey to the Love Castle in the Kingdom of Love.

So far, it seems to be caring affection or affectionate care based on attraction, connection, relation, and requires patience.

(Compare 5 love languages book.)

Introduction: A Building (predom male). A Process (predom female). Question. Can you describe what love is to you in 3 words or less? How is love made? Or what "makes love"...what it truly is?

Types of Love: (Applications: From & To. For & Towards. Passive & Active. Bred-by & Based-on. Separate into numbered list of God, Others, & Self.)

1. Religious - God, Gods, Goddesses
2. Familial - Parents, Siblings, Ext-Relatives
3. Parental - Children
4. Social - Friends, Associates
5. Romantic - Spouse
6. General - Strangers

Grammatical Designations:

1. Noun - passive - feeling love
2. Verb - active - performing love

Love Levels (Grades):

1. Beginner - B1, B2, B3
2. Intermediate - IM1, IM2, IM3
3. Expert - E1, E2, E3
4. Master - M1, M2, M3, M4
5. Grandmaster - G1, G2, G3

Thought: Good affectionn based on attraction is love. Evil affection based on attraction is lust?

Love is a noun and verb, passive and/or active.

Bumper sticker read: Love is for-giving. (Me: So learn how to love. It will be painful but worth the time it will take.)

If you had to choose between these two: Fruit or vegetable?

Steps To Love, my understanding:

1. Quiet patience (James "swift to hear" scripture, 1 Corinthians 13 "longsuffering" 1st characteristic.)

Below are the biblical natures, qualities, elements, characteristics, ingredients, components, materials and products of Love.

Find scripture story that displays 'love' characteristic for below section.

Composition - Scripture (O.T.):

1. Genesis Chapter 3 - patience, mercy, not easily provoked

Message Translation (O.T.):

1.

Composition - Scripture (N.T.):

1.

Message Translation (N.T.):

1. James 1:19-20

(Compare 'falling in lust' vs 'walking in love'. My S.O.S. nif - or shortsaying on attraction distraction.)

Recent Blog. Love: Gift or Right? (add here?)

My Love Foundation Theory: Patience leads to attraction leads to affection.

The Perfect Coda - The code to the secret ingredient to the making of love is summed up in something Someone Once Said. "At the core of the heart of the Divine inNAture of the beings of the emotion is, if you're not lovin'...you're hatin'. That is all."

Seperate what love makes from what love takes (double meaning) and from what takes love from what makes love. Then redo list.

Contrast Love to Lust.

(7-10-15) In reference to above...the realization of being confused. Thinking one is in lo-ve (pronounciation) when really in lu-st. The lo- and lu- sounds dragged out like a drawl...so one is in loooo-ve or one is in luuuu-st.

Love and Lust appear to be Twins of Attraction. Which means they're connected. But with one being Good and the other being Evil. They also appear to be Twins of Emotion. So how do you tell them apart?

So far, 'love' seems to be 4 surface things - affection, attraction, caring, connection - and requires 1 foundational thing - "patients". Alphanumeric this for ease of memory.

(Learned.) Patience is the foundation of love. But "patients" have limits. Since we're all connected, whether creation or evolution, theist or atheist we must be patient. If you don't be patient you will never have patience. And if you don't have patience you will never be patient.

But one can't do what one doesn't know. Thus, the burden of patience in relation to love falls on those with its knowledge. If you know this love, you owe this love. But you can demand it from others who kniw it as well. And if you don't know if they know....be patient. Show....then tell.

Love is a condition because it has a definition. So what is a condition? (Explain.) Is Love simultaneously conditional and unconditional? For instance, conditional in its Passive-Noun state, but unconditional in its Active-Verb performance? Love is Passive-Passion and Active-Action.

Love is the cure, not a disease. (Trek VGR episode) Love is the cure, lust is the disease. Love is the cure to the lust disease.

Building Lust is easy. Fast. Viral like a virus. And people like speed which is why lust is so attractive. Which is why a virus has no antonym. But it has an antidote.

Love is the cure to lust. But building Love is hard. Slow. Takes time. Cural (opposed to viral) like an antidote. Love is fast knowledge combined with slow wisdom.

Watching people "fight" over what love is may happen as site goes up. It will be like a sport. Some may only watch, others will likely play. But better, rather a "fight" than a war. (This note of realization/revelation came about because Ball Toss gamesport creation and mindset and updating Calena Edghill about side. In the end, I said, "make Facebook page, combine with blogspot...and let them have at it!") Bringing to mind this realization right under my nose...lol.

 

[GosDontez]

Love is patient...the patience here is long suffering. Remember in the first definition I gave you where I said it created a covenant...this is a long suffering Love that remains till there is no longer need or hope. Are you suggesting that you have no hope in communicating with me because you refuse to listen?

BTW, think in this long suffering the sufferings of Christ as an example of what it is and the covenant He made with all who believe even His enemies.

Hey there. I haven't given up. I thought you did. You respond so quickly and I take my time so I can take in what's being said.

So as I got to your post about your time being wasted on me, I thought you were done.

There's a reason I don't immediately respond to you. You're going too fast and saying too much. So I speed-read your replies then remove my brain-finger filter.

You're quick to type (talk), slow to read (listen). This isn't being patient, to me.

But I realize the problem.

Anyhoo, I'm glad you're still here. I just play by your rules.....the other ones.

 

[GosDontez]

I really like how you've laid out support for your thought on this. You definitely have a strong, philosophical sense. And I think you do give a strong case for including the concept of passion in your definition of love; I may be persuaded that something of this conceptual nature should be included.

However, one catch for me in this is that we are focusing on "Christological Love," and this kind of affection also requires that we 'love' ... even our enemies. So, I'm left wondering: How much positive passion do you think may be entailed in one person's love as it relates to dealing (or contending) with one's enemies? For instance, I just saw the movie, Get Out, a rather discomfiting Gothic thriller. How does one include passion in one's love for enemies who are of such a kind?

My example above isn't given to show that you're wrong--because on a general level, I think you're right--but rather I bring it up to point out that there are some complexities, maybe even some deep social complications, in working out a definition for Christological type love. I certainly don't have 'all' the answers on this ...

But, in the words of a profound author I've just read, "what say you"?

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

2PhiloVoid......You know, I realized this earlier, and I laughed by little tushy off. But your "handle"....depending on the perspective, can mean...

"Empty of love, twice." That sucks.
"Two Loves, empty." That also sucks.
"Empty of love, twice." That's a whole new version of sucking.

Philo....Greek for Love
Void....English for Empty
2....drinks of something strong seriously needed.

Ok, I'm done...on to the reply....LOL!!!

 

[GosDontez]

However, one catch for me in this is that we are focusing on "Christological Love," and this kind of affection also requires that we 'love' ... even our enemies. So, I'm left wondering: How much positive passion do you think may be entailed in one person's love as it relates to dealing (or contending) with one's enemies? For instance, I just saw the movie, Get Out, a rather discomfiting Gothic thriller. How does one include passion in one's love for enemies who are of such a kind?

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

I have read over this reply at least 5 times today, then just did it again. A few points:

1. I get the focus of "we" on the Christological love. However, "being in this world but no longer of it", I have to be in both places and relate the two. Even thought I used the scripture at the Heading of this thread, it's not centered (for lack of a better word) JUST on the Christological. However, at the same time, which is very strange, it deals with the "enemy loving" you mentioned. This is why I put this in question form, and not a statement. It allows for the reality of both worlds to be represented. True, this is a Christian Forum, but who better to understand sinners......than Christians.

2. Passion. One of the things I have learned is to go to the dictionary. Reading fiction led to this. It's how I learned that there are a LOT of definitions for one word, depending on the word. Which, I'm thinking, "Why?" But what's worse, some definitions actually contradict the other definitions. Now, it was other words that led to this realization (Tattoo and glamour were primary. Then, Onanism. Talk about contradictory definitions.) But take "passion", for instance. 12, count them. 12 definitions!!! (My default dictionary is Dictionary.com, the app.) Which leads me to the next point.

3. The Passion of the Christ. You mentioned, Get Out. Can't properly comment, haven't seen it. But the previews spoke volumes and then I overheard some comments about it and thought, "That's not a surprise." But I would still need to see it and now that you have, I will. But, I'm willing to bet you've seen the Passion of the Christ. If you have, then this can be a comparison. But until you confirm, I'll just give a brief comment.

4. Enemies. My simple answer is, "don't have any. Problem solved." But then I stopped and thought about it. I have this saying about forgiveness. "Forgiveness does one thing and one thing only. It removes the guilty party from the death penalty. That's it." Now, we can "argue" that "definition" in another thread, or even this one. I think it's related to love. But I use this to help me avoid, thus, have no use for enemies. A simple summary of an enemy is someone I hate. But hate is spiritual murder.

(Pausing commentary. Computer acting up. But you can read over the 4 points, and I'll finish later after Wonder Woman and Pizza. Just bought it today.)

 

[W2L]

(Don't know if you're still around, but I missed this post.)

My response would have been...

"But a feeling is a noun. Did I misunderstand?"

(Again, don't know if you're still around.)

Yes im still here.

 

[GosDontez]

Yes im still here.

Ok, cool. As you may or may not be aware, I'm in the middle of two major discussions on this "love" thing. Both of which are really good!

Different....but good.

So what's your take on my reply to your statement?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

(Oh goody, I was looking for this reply. Found it!)

When I was asked in return (and it only happened once, which is weird) what I thought love was in 3 words or less, my response was....

"A building process."

See, during the survey, I made it clear there was no right or wrong answer for the purposes of the survey. Early testing revealed that people thought they were talking a math test or something and feared they'd get it wrong....lol

Once I made that clear, this freed people up to pick words.

But here is something I wrote. It's a raw note on 'the building process' response I gave. But it's a bit long.

I'd like your thoughts on these thoughts I had when I began this study and started making observations based on the responses I received.

Again, it's a bit long, and I have not edited it because I don't usually do that during raw note-taking. So I hope you'll overlook any grammatical errors...

The Love Study. Notes. P1.

1. What Is Love? What Love Is.
2. Do you understand love?
3. How do you love?
4. Is love a law?
5. Can love ever be a bad (negative) thing? (...of money, etc.)
6. What grammatical part-of-speech is love? (Noun, verb, adjective, etc.)

Love is a building process so I'm gathering materials and ingredients in order to build a Love Boat (think a new Noah's ark) where I will make a Love Cake then serve it to those patients patiently waiting being rewarded for their paitience on our journey to the Love Castle in the Kingdom of Love.

So far, it seems to be caring affection or affectionate care based on attraction, connection, relation, and requires patience.

(Compare 5 love languages book.)

Introduction: A Building (predom male). A Process (predom female). Question. Can you describe what love is to you in 3 words or less? How is love made? Or what "makes love"...what it truly is?

Types of Love: (Applications: From & To. For & Towards. Passive & Active. Bred-by & Based-on. Separate into numbered list of God, Others, & Self.)

1. Religious - God, Gods, Goddesses
2. Familial - Parents, Siblings, Ext-Relatives
3. Parental - Children
4. Social - Friends, Associates
5. Romantic - Spouse
6. General - Strangers

Grammatical Designations:

1. Noun - passive - feeling love
2. Verb - active - performing love

Love Levels (Grades):

1. Beginner - B1, B2, B3
2. Intermediate - IM1, IM2, IM3
3. Expert - E1, E2, E3
4. Master - M1, M2, M3, M4
5. Grandmaster - G1, G2, G3

Thought: Good affectionn based on attraction is love. Evil affection based on attraction is lust?

Love is a noun and verb, passive and/or active.

Bumper sticker read: Love is for-giving. (Me: So learn how to love. It will be painful but worth the time it will take.)

If you had to choose between these two: Fruit or vegetable?

Steps To Love, my understanding:

1. Quiet patience (James "swift to hear" scripture, 1 Corinthians 13 "longsuffering" 1st characteristic.)

Below are the biblical natures, qualities, elements, characteristics, ingredients, components, materials and products of Love.

Find scripture story that displays 'love' characteristic for below section.

Composition - Scripture (O.T.):

1. Genesis Chapter 3 - patience, mercy, not easily provoked

Message Translation (O.T.):

1.

Composition - Scripture (N.T.):

1.

Message Translation (N.T.):

1. James 1:19-20

(Compare 'falling in lust' vs 'walking in love'. My S.O.S. nif - or shortsaying on attraction distraction.)

Recent Blog. Love: Gift or Right? (add here?)

My Love Foundation Theory: Patience leads to attraction leads to affection.

The Perfect Coda - The code to the secret ingredient to the making of love is summed up in something Someone Once Said. "At the core of the heart of the Divine inNAture of the beings of the emotion is, if you're not lovin'...you're hatin'. That is all."

Seperate what love makes from what love takes (double meaning) and from what takes love from what makes love. Then redo list.

Contrast Love to Lust.

(7-10-15) In reference to above...the realization of being confused. Thinking one is in lo-ve (pronounciation) when really in lu-st. The lo- and lu- sounds dragged out like a drawl...so one is in loooo-ve or one is in luuuu-st.

Love and Lust appear to be Twins of Attraction. Which means they're connected. But with one being Good and the other being Evil. They also appear to be Twins of Emotion. So how do you tell them apart?

So far, 'love' seems to be 4 surface things - affection, attraction, caring, connection - and requires 1 foundational thing - "patients". Alphanumeric this for ease of memory.

(Learned.) Patience is the foundation of love. But "patients" have limits. Since we're all connected, whether creation or evolution, theist or atheist we must be patient. If you don't be patient you will never have patience. And if you don't have patience you will never be patient.

But one can't do what one doesn't know. Thus, the burden of patience in relation to love falls on those with its knowledge. If you know this love, you owe this love. But you can demand it from others who kniw it as well. And if you don't know if they know....be patient. Show....then tell.

Love is a condition because it has a definition. So what is a condition? (Explain.) Is Love simultaneously conditional and unconditional? For instance, conditional in its Passive-Noun state, but unconditional in its Active-Verb performance? Love is Passive-Passion and Active-Action.

Love is the cure, not a disease. (Trek VGR episode) Love is the cure, lust is the disease. Love is the cure to the lust disease.

Building Lust is easy. Fast. Viral like a virus. And people like speed which is why lust is so attractive. Which is why a virus has no antonym. But it has an antidote.

Love is the cure to lust. But building Love is hard. Slow. Takes time. Cural (opposed to viral) like an antidote. Love is fast knowledge combined with slow wisdom.

Watching people "fight" over what love is may happen as site goes up. It will be like a sport. Some may only watch, others will likely play. But better, rather a "fight" than a war. (This note of realization/revelation came about because Ball Toss gamesport creation and mindset and updating Calena Edghill about side. In the end, I said, "make Facebook page, combine with blogspot...and let them have at it!") Bringing to mind this realization right under my nose...lol.

Give me a few hours to chew on this buffet that you've nicely served up, and I'll get back with you on it. In the meantime, enjoy watching WW set the record straight ...

 

[W2L]

Ok, cool. As you may or may not be aware, I'm in the middle of two major discussions on this "love" thing. Both of which are really good!

Different....but good.

So what's your take on my reply to your statement?

I believe yes would be the answer, if i understood you correctly.