What is L.O.V.E.? (Matthew 22:36-40)

[razzelflabben]

Why not?

I don't think this is a surface issue, because God is a Spirit, and that's at the heart or core of all. So if that list Paul gave is of spiritual characteristics, thus, core, thus God, then what's this "surface scratching" you're referring to?

Love is spiritual and physical and consumes all of man which is the point. It isn't one thing or the other but all encompassing which is what makes it so hard to define and so huge we cannot fully grasp it's height, depth, and width.

 

[razzelflabben]

How? You didn't include your reason.

I told you that it was a noun and a verb all at the same time so you removed the verb definition and left only the worldly love which isn't what we are talking about and called it better...how does it remove the problem when the problem is that both have to be combined and you leave one off?

Let me clarify this way...if I say that 2+2 does not equal 8 and you say okay I'll fix it, 2+0=8 you didn't fix anything.

BTW, you are the first person ever to question whether or not the definition I provided was an actual definition or not and we have been teaching Biblical love for years now. Everyone else knows it's a definition and not a list of criteria which makes me wonder if you started this thread just for the purpose of posting what you think without considering what others are suggesting to you?

 

[GosDontez]

I told you that it was a noun and a verb all at the same time so you removed the verb definition and left only the worldly love which isn't what we are talking about and called it better...how does it remove the problem when the problem is that both have to be combined and you leave one off?

Let me clarify this way...if I say that 2+2 does not equal 8 and you say okay I'll fix it, 2+0=8 you didn't fix anything.

BTW, you are the first person ever to question whether or not the definition I provided was an actual definition or not and we have been teaching Biblical love for years now. Everyone else knows it's a definition and not a list of criteria which makes me wonder if you started this thread just for the purpose of posting what you think without considering what others are suggesting to you?

I started the thread to get answers to my question which, by definition, would include, at some point, what I think.

However...

"without considering what others are suggesting to you?"

...no. If I didn't plan to consider what others suggest, I never would have replied or even returned to read anything.

I could be wrong, but you seem upset because you're not making sense any longer. Proof?

All words have definitions. A characteristic is a definition. But you said it isn't.

All grammatical parts of speech are nouns. But you said I removed the verb definition, which makes no sense.

And you're contradicting yourself because you say you teach something you don't understand because it's hard to define. Which also doesn't make any sense.

How can you teach something too hard to define? Which just proves my point.

Although, I'm not surprised by your instability, though. It's usually this way when I ask certain Christians certain questions.

I simply wanted your help in learning what love is. But it's obvious that your message to me is that you don't know.

But that's ok. Sometimes it takes a while before that reality is defined.

So thanks, and God bless. Unless, of course, you wish to continue??

 

[razzelflabben]

I started the thread to get answers to my question which, by definition, would include, at some point, what I think.

However...

"without considering what others are suggesting to you?"

...no. If I didn't plan to consider what others suggest, I never would have replied or even returned to read anything.

I could be wrong, but you seem upset because you're not making sense any longer. Proof?

All words have definitions. A characteristic is a definition. But you said it isn't.

not upset but frustrated that you don't understand how that when I say that your "definition" is a problem because Love is both a noun and verb at the same time and cannot be separated and you say that you can fix that problem by removing the verb part how that isn't fixing anything. I honestly don't care what you decide to go with but if you can't see how you didn't fix the problem I pointed out, then I will get frustrated because it isn't that hard to understand.

Now as to definitions and characteristics, I did NOT say that characteristics are definitions I said that some definitions have to include characteristics in order to make sense and I gave an example of one such case when it came to the definition for taunting. Again, if you can't see the difference that is on you but please don't blame others for your lack of interest in what was really said.

All grammatical parts of speech are nouns. But you said I removed the verb definition, which makes no sense.

lol exactly...your "corrected" post removed the verb portion and only left the noun portion which doesn't make any sense and further complicates the issue with the first "definition" post you made. That is my problem...I honestly don't care what you want to believe as per it's your choice but at least make some sense in your replies.

And you're contradicting yourself because you say you teach something you don't understand because it's hard to define. Which also doesn't make any sense.

huh? We can't fully understand it, I said that, scripture says that...I did define it and I understand it better than most because of the amount of study I have put into it. But we can no more understand all there is to know about Love than we can understand all there is to understand about God...does that mean we should stop teaching people about God and His Love? Of course not for to do so would be sin. We teach what we understand and trust God with what we don't. It's not that hard of a concept.

How can you teach something too hard to define? Which just proves my point.

and yet I defined it for you...so what is your problem? I give you a definition then talk about teaching that definition and what we do know about love and you go off on me about not defining love thus I can't teach it...this is the kind of non sense that has me bugged right now about you. You are not making any sense at all then accusing me of not making sense. Love is hard to define but it can be defined. I teach it because God has called me to the topic and as a result I have put the time in.

Although, I'm not surprised by your instability, though. It's usually this way when I ask certain Christians certain questions.

huh? You claim my inability and yet I demonstrated that I did exactly what I said I did...this is what the problem is. You are not even trying to respond to what I said or didn't say and yet accuse me...come on dude, this discussion has been relatively pleasant so far why muck that up with this non sense you are now spouting?

I simply wanted your help in learning what love is. But it's obvious that your message to me is that you don't know.

again, Love rejoices in truth...When I call you out on your inconsistencies for the purpose of effective communication it is done in the truth of Love.

But that's ok. Sometimes it takes a while before that reality is defined.

So thanks, and God bless. Unless, of course, you wish to continue??

I would love to continue if you are willing to show some truth to what you are saying and logic in your responses. IT's up to you. I don't really have time for non sense like the previous couple of posts.

 

[GosDontez]

"Sometimes, Number One.....you must simply bow to the absurd." - Captain Jean-luc Picard -

 

[GosDontez]

not upset but frustrated that you don't understand how that when I say that your "definition" is a problem because Love is both a noun and verb at the same time and cannot be separated and you say that you can fix that problem by removing the verb part how that isn't fixing anything. I honestly don't care what you decide to go with but if you can't see how you didn't fix the problem I pointed out, then I will get frustrated because it isn't that hard to understand.

Now as to definitions and characteristics, I did NOT say that characteristics are definitions I said that some definitions have to include characteristics in order to make sense and I gave an example of one such case when it came to the definition for taunting. Again, if you can't see the difference that is on you but please don't blame others for your lack of interest in what was really said. lol exactly...your "corrected" post removed the verb portion and only left the noun portion which doesn't make any sense and further complicates the issue with the first "definition" post you made. That is my problem...I honestly don't care what you want to believe as per it's your choice but at least make some sense in your replies. huh? We can't fully understand it, I said that, scripture says that...I did define it and I understand it better than most because of the amount of study I have put into it. But we can no more understand all there is to know about Love than we can understand all there is to understand about God...does that mean we should stop teaching people about God and His Love? Of course not for to do so would be sin. We teach what we understand and trust God with what we don't. It's not that hard of a concept. and yet I defined it for you...so what is your problem? I give you a definition then talk about teaching that definition and what we do know about love and you go off on me about not defining love thus I can't teach it...this is the kind of non sense that has me bugged right now about you. You are not making any sense at all then accusing me of not making sense. Love is hard to define but it can be defined. I teach it because God has called me to the topic and as a result I have put the time in. huh? You claim my inability and yet I demonstrated that I did exactly what I said I did...this is what the problem is. You are not even trying to respond to what I said or didn't say and yet accuse me...come on dude, this discussion has been relatively pleasant so far why muck that up with this non sense you are now spouting? again, Love rejoices in truth...When I call you out on your inconsistencies for the purpose of effective communication it is done in the truth of Love. I would love to continue if you are willing to show some truth to what you are saying and logic in your responses. IT's up to you. I don't really have time for non sense like the previous couple of posts.

How can you "love to continue", if love is too hard for you to define?

I'm confused.

 

[GosDontez]

not upset but frustrated that you don't understand how that when I say that your "definition" is a problem because Love is both a noun and verb at the same time and cannot be separated and you say that you can fix that problem by removing the verb part how that isn't fixing anything. I honestly don't care what you decide to go with but if you can't see how you didn't fix the problem I pointed out, then I will get frustrated because it isn't that hard to understand.

Now as to definitions and characteristics, I did NOT say that characteristics are definitions I said that some definitions have to include characteristics in order to make sense and I gave an example of one such case when it came to the definition for taunting. Again, if you can't see the difference that is on you but please don't blame others for your lack of interest in what was really said. lol exactly...your "corrected" post removed the verb portion and only left the noun portion which doesn't make any sense and further complicates the issue with the first "definition" post you made. That is my problem...I honestly don't care what you want to believe as per it's your choice but at least make some sense in your replies. huh? We can't fully understand it, I said that, scripture says that...I did define it and I understand it better than most because of the amount of study I have put into it. But we can no more understand all there is to know about Love than we can understand all there is to understand about God...does that mean we should stop teaching people about God and His Love? Of course not for to do so would be sin. We teach what we understand and trust God with what we don't. It's not that hard of a concept. and yet I defined it for you...so what is your problem? I give you a definition then talk about teaching that definition and what we do know about love and you go off on me about not defining love thus I can't teach it...this is the kind of non sense that has me bugged right now about you. You are not making any sense at all then accusing me of not making sense. Love is hard to define but it can be defined. I teach it because God has called me to the topic and as a result I have put the time in. huh? You claim my inability and yet I demonstrated that I did exactly what I said I did...this is what the problem is. You are not even trying to respond to what I said or didn't say and yet accuse me...come on dude, this discussion has been relatively pleasant so far why muck that up with this non sense you are now spouting? again, Love rejoices in truth...When I call you out on your inconsistencies for the purpose of effective communication it is done in the truth of Love. I would love to continue if you are willing to show some truth to what you are saying and logic in your responses. IT's up to you. I don't really have time for non sense like the previous couple of posts.

And don't give up on me. Paul said "love never fails" or "gives up".

And stop saying you don't care. Not caring is not loving.

At some point, you should laugh at me. Like God does. It's my "go to", when He chases me with that very long belt He has.

I'm running right now!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Commands. Laws. Rules. Controls. Borders. Boundaries. All predicated on one simple concept: How things work.

This may be a trivial inquiry, but if this "love" thing is the greatest commandment, then doesn't it need to be DEFINED? If it can't, then how do we know we're doing it right?

So what do you think love is and how is it properly performed?

Basically, if we just go with the AGAPE mode of love, then for the Christian it comes down to looking and listening to Jesus (and to a large extent, His earliest disciples)...and then following suite. I know this is a little bit overly simplistic, and there is more to how it all plays out in life on an interpersonal level, but I think you get the idea.

I voted that love is both an emotion/action and noun/verb--it's synthetic rather than dichotomous.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[razzelflabben]

"Sometimes, Number One.....you must simply bow to the absurd." - Captain Jean-luc Picard -

maybe so, but it doesn't mean I have to live it when others are completely absurd...in situations like this I ask my family who I can trust to be honest with me and even they said you were being completely absurd...which is a problem for me because I personally love understanding different POV...one of my flaws I guess at least when others don't want to be rational.

 

[razzelflabben]

How can you "love to continue", if love is too hard for you to define?

I'm confused.

You are more confused than you realize...I never said that Love was too hard to define...I said that it was hard to define...I also offered a definition. So you are way more confused than you even think you are.

 

[razzelflabben]

And don't give up on me. Paul said "love never fails" or "gives up".

I'm still here....whether I should be or not.

And stop saying you don't care. Not caring is not loving.

what I mean when I say I don't care is that God gave you the right to choose what you believe and what you don't believe. I wouldn't take that away from you if I could. Of course I would rejoice if you figured out what I was saying and understood, that should go without saying but I am not going to loose sleep so to speak over you refusing to hear and understand.

At some point, you should laugh at me. Like God does. It's my "go to", when He chases me with that very long belt He has.

I'm running right now!

I would rather just Love you with the Love of Christ....

 

[GosDontez]

maybe so, but it doesn't mean I have to live it when others are completely absurd...in situations like this I ask my family who I can trust to be honest with me and even they said you were being completely absurd...which is a problem for me because I personally love understanding different POV...one of my flaws I guess at least when others don't want to be rational.

Are you incapable of proper grammatical structuring?

Do you not proofread before you post? (One of the guidelines for this forum.)

But that would take PATIENCE.....a love defining characteristic.

Anyhoo...

 

[W2L]

Love must be both a noun and a verb, i think. The love of God is shed in our hearts, (Romans 5:5)

 

[GosDontez]

maybe so, but it doesn't mean I have to live it when others are completely absurd...in situations like this I ask my family who I can trust to be honest with me and even they said you were being completely absurd...which is a problem for me because I personally love understanding different POV...one of my flaws I guess at least when others don't want to be rational.

Oh! So you and your family are ganging up on me, huh!?

Fine. I'm gonna tell God on you. ALL of you!! 'Causd how is that in any way...loving....and fair??

I've got the wrong mind to pout about it!!!

 

[GosDontez]

Love must be both a noun and a verb, i think. The love of God is shed in our hearts, (Romans 5:5)

So, kinda like saying, "The care (noun) of God is shed in our hearts,..."?

And...

"The suffering (verb) of God is shed in our hearts,..."?

 

[W2L]

So, kinda like saying, "The care (noun) of God is shed in our hearts,..."?

And...

"The suffering (verb) of God is shed in our hearts,..."?

No. Suffering can also be a feeling and a noun.

 

[GosDontez]

Love is arguing with someone you care deeply for.

Like fellow Christians, who teach about love, but says it's hard to define.

(I'm SO going to hell for that. But....I will be back in 3 days. )

 

[GosDontez]

I'm still here....whether I should be or not. what I mean when I say I don't care is that God gave you the right to choose what you believe and what you don't believe. I wouldn't take that away from you if I could. Of course I would rejoice if you figured out what I was saying and understood, that should go without saying but I am not going to loose sleep so to speak over you refusing to hear and understand. I would rather just Love you with the Love of Christ....

Razzelflabben. Kinda like Riboflavin...but different.

Which is used as a supplement to prevent migraines. Hmmmm... Is that why I'm laughing???

 

[GosDontez]

Basically, if we just go with the AGAPE mode of love, then for the Christian it comes down to looking and listening to Jesus (and to a large extent, His earliest disciples)...and then following suite. I know this is a little bit overly simplistic, and there is more to how it all plays out in life on an interpersonal level, but I think you get the idea.

I voted that love is both an emotion/action and noun/verb--it's synthetic rather than dichotomous.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

Hey there, 2PhiloVoid. Thanks for posting.

Since you have the antidote, stick me with some words of wisdom.

Other than the noun/verb/adjective descriptions, what are some other words you would use to describe "love"?

For brevity, use 3 words or less, if you please.

 

[GosDontez]

As recently noted, love is also an adjective. But....that's still a noun. Just like a verb.


Oh well...