What is Justice

[Saucy]

I wanted to create a thread and I wasn't sure if I should post it in the politics area, but I don't want it to get what can be a good, civil discussion gummed up with political bias and strife. But, these are heartfelt issues for most of us, so it's difficult not to approach the other side cautiously.

Today I saw a video from Dinesh D'Souza that really hit me hard. It was a question from the audience about what real justice is and I think he really hits the nail on the head about how justice today seems to be pushing the boundaries of what violates other people's rights.

Please watch this video to see his response and share what you think.

 

[MehGuy]

Justice is whatever Superman says it is.

 

[possibletarian]

Justice is whatever Superman says it is.

Not to mention the American way

 

[Desk trauma]

Not to mention the American way

I will not have what is and isn't the 'merican way dictated to me by an illegal alien!

 

[ananda]

I wanted to create a thread and I wasn't sure if I should post it in the politics area, but I don't want it to get what can be a good, civil discussion gummed up with political bias and strife. But, these are heartfelt issues for most of us, so it's difficult not to approach the other side cautiously.

Today I saw a video from Dinesh D'Souza that really hit me hard. It was a question from the audience about what real justice is and I think he really hits the nail on the head about how justice today seems to be pushing the boundaries of what violates other people's rights.

Please watch this video to see his response and share what you think.

IMO, as a libertarian, practical justice - that which is valid for political governments - can only simply be the equalization of measurable trespasses against one's person by another person.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

D'Souza has done nothing but present yet more confusion.

 

[VirOptimus]

Justice is a metaphysical term that has no real meaning.

Justice is something we imagine, its not part of reality.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I wanted to create a thread and I wasn't sure if I should post it in the politics area, but I don't want it to get what can be a good, civil discussion gummed up with political bias and strife. But, these are heartfelt issues for most of us, so it's difficult not to approach the other side cautiously.

Today I saw a video from Dinesh D'Souza that really hit me hard. It was a question from the audience about what real justice is and I think he really hits the nail on the head about how justice today seems to be pushing the boundaries of what violates other people's rights.

Please watch this video to see his response and share what you think.

Care to summarize Dinesh's argument?

 

[Desk trauma]

Care to summarize Dinesh's argument?

Special pleading, incredulity, projection, fantasy.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Special pleading, incredulity, projection, fantasy.

Ok. So in other words, "business as usual" as far as Dineshian arguments are concerned.

 

[bhsmte]

Special pleading, incredulity, projection, fantasy.

Sounds like him. I have seen him get destroyed in debates before.

 

[Chriliman]

Justice is the guilty seeking and receiving forgiveness and the oppressed being freed. True justice always leads to true peace. This is the way of Christ.

 

[Dave-W]

Justice is the unrepentant burning in the lake of fire forever.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"Justice"....... is getting what you so richly deserve.

 

[xpower]

Justice is reconciliation.

"Restorative justice" ‎Definition (a system of criminal justice that focuses on the rehabilitation of offenders through reconciliation with victims and the community at large)

 

[Vyrzaharak]

Principally, my definition of justice is, "for every eye you cut, you get two eyes cut. One for the actual eye, and one for the labor it takes to create an eye."

 

[JackRT]

Justice is getting exactly what you deserve.

Mercy is not getting what you deserve.

Grace is getting more than you deserve.

 

[Walsinghsm Way]

Baruch Hashem, Saucy!

I don't have the time to peruse the D'Souza video now (maybe later), but I do have some thoughts.

"Justice" as a core concept in moral philosophy is at least as old as Socrates and Plato (I always remember how surprised I was to learn that Republic was basically an extended metaphor on what justice as a power and function of the soul is like) and at least as hotly debated ever since. The greatest argument has always been whether justice is universal or particular, absolute or relative, or whether it is simply what the person with the most force behind him says it is as opposed to something built into the fabric of the universe by its Creator.

Following Micah 6:8 believers in God are to love mercy and do justice. For me that brings up an interesting conundrum between the two: Justice is strict and often unyielding, quite often corrupted and or withheld, whereas mercy is abundant and without measure, extended to all and sundry and yet we are to hold both in our hearts as virtues.

 

[Noxot]

I liked the video.

justice is the same thing that divine wisdom and love is. justice is goodness and truth. justice is righteousness.

justice is giving everyone the same dignity as everyone else which means we can't abuse some in order to help others.

justice is the best possible outcome, the best possible reality. outcomes don't have to be static for it to be just, there are many different ways things can happen that can still exist in high orders of justice.

some people are opposed to justice because they hold something higher. since justice is a good and some are opposed to the pure meaning of justice and since goodness does not conflict with goodness it means that there is some kind of evil trying to distort or oppose justice.

a justice that is not known as goodness, truth, love, and wisdom will be inferior and not worth existing in or caring about.

justice is something that personalities/souls must bring into reality. it is a creative act of spirit and it is a higher mode of being.