What is it with gross sin

[Tammy]

You will be a very good Pastor, Bluelion! Keep it up! The world needs a few more men who are not afraid to speak the truth!

 

[tall73]

Lol yeah I stop reading both your post. It always goes the same one, one jumps on and then other jump on and then I am defending my self to 3 and four people against little old me lol

Point out to me these threads where I have done this? As I said, I only recall even two threads where we exchanged much of any words, or disagreed.

So where do you get this notion that I am somehow part of a crusade against you?

 

[tall73]

If I am not saying anything against God's word then what is your issue with me?

Newsflash: I didn't have an issue with you until you started saying I was judging you when I was not.

 

[tall73]

You and others seem to be on a crusade against me and why is it always the same group of people Hmmm

Alright, you talked about backing things up.

a. Show me all these threads you are speaking of that I followed you around and attacked you.

b. list this "group" that is on a crusade against you.

I am having trouble finding someone not in the group that you have gotten into a fight with. That is not due to any conspiracy.

The common denominator is you.

 

[Bluelion]

You will be a very good Pastor, Bluelion! Keep it up! The world needs a few more men who are not afraid to speak the truth!

Thank you so much, I can not express how much I needed to here that i think Our Father in Heaven sent you with kind words on your lips. God bless you, thank you.

 

[Bluelion]

Alright, you talked about backing things up.

a. Show me all these threads you are speaking of that I followed you around and attacked you.

b. list this "group" that is on a crusade against you.

I am having trouble finding someone not in the group that you have gotten into a fight with. That is not due to any conspiracy.

The common denominator is you.

we have disagreed in other threads, and one which I said i was wrong, but last thread we disagreed was it was both you and Ham. The people I seem to argue with is Ham, bill, josh, this brother of his, another one i can not name because it has become a case of stalking and mods are involved, and I am missing some one. that is the group are you a main part no but it seems to be developing.

People i have no problem yielding to are deacon, and i for get the mods name beginning with a Hei or something.

So your issue is i said you were judging me when you were not so you decide to start judging me. The issue was you told me to forgive him I took that as you were implying I did not, but rather than say hey that is not what i meant you began to attack my Character. Now is that the Christian thing to do, blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called the sons of God, but you attack, and I have yet to attack you. I have been addressing your post.

You seem to be saying you are sick of me and that I fight with everyone. If that is true why post in my threads, why read them. The issue is with you not me. Seems to me the simple thing to do is remove your self from the things you do not like, yet you seek it out. This whole time I have been on the defense when i was seeking support and understanding from fellow brothers and sisters. In stead I got Ham who went of saying ell we all sin and implying there is no deference between pride of sin and repenting. then he let that go and moved on.

So the problem is no one is listening to the other.

 

[Bluelion]

We all flaunt our sin, every time we sin. This man was no worse than us, if we remember that Christ is the benchmark, and not how good we are compared to others.

this is what started it

 

[Bluelion]

yes he was, talking in public in great detail about how he wanted to have sex with the guys in a group. That is no different than having sex in the streets. wake up. Stumbling when we sin is different than willfully bragging about your sin. I am sorry you don't know the difference.

i said

 

[Bluelion]

i said

I'm sorry that you think you're less of a sinner than he is, and that your sin is less offensive.

he said this and there is the attack, i never said any such thing

 

[Bluelion]

wow judgmental much. I never said such a thing, however there is a difference from sinning and repenting and sinning and boasting pridefully.I think this goes along with what Jesus taught. No person is forgive who does not repent. And you can not repent and be proud of your sin.

to which I said

 

[Bluelion]

Please, tell me the difference. Give me the words of Jesus.

to which ham said

 

[Bluelion]

You don't know the difference between pride in your sin and repent of it. I think that is an issue you need to pray about, and do a lot of reading.

I do believe Paul said if a christian sins against you point it out to him, if he will not repent get 2 brothers and point it out and if still no bring it before the church and if the man will still not repent, you are to treat him as a pagan or corrupt tax collector.

So its clear a person is not forgiven unless they repent, and I am not obligated to forgive a person who does not repent. Did God forgive the world or those who ask for forgiveness? But I do forgive though not required, because if i forgive i will be forgiven on how I forgive, if I commit an offense and do not know it i will have forgiveness for I forgive this way, or do my best to.

Again Jesus said I have not come to call those who think them self righteous but those who know they are sinners. Those who are prideful of there sin see nothing wrong with it, so they think them self righteous, but those who are ashamed of there sin and see their need for forgiveness are those who know they are sinners.

Is that enough for you or shall I go on?

To which I and 98 also address this with scripture.

And there it is the start of the thread.

 

[Bluelion]

You haven't even answered my question yet.

than ham said this now where is the question in those post? and ham says this discussion never took place. It started with an accusation on Hams part that I thought I was better than this man, and I have been on the defense ever sense.


So who started the what you call fight, but I don't because i as stated am indifferent, I realize Ham has the issue. i bother explaining is for those reading.

Now if you got lumped in i am sorry, but that does not excused your behavior of then attack me and judging me, and you need to say sorry. I have said it can you?

ANd that is acting like a child of God.

Peace and Love
blu

BTW still not mad

 

[tall73]

we have disagreed in other threads, and one which I said i was wrong, but last thread we disagreed was it was both you and Ham. The people I seem to argue with is Ham, bill, josh, this brother of his, another one i can not name because it has become a case of stalking and mods are involved, and I am missing some one. that is the group are you a main part no but it seems to be developing.

These are issues you seem to have with various individuals. Apparently at least six that I saw listed. How is this a crusade or organized conspiracy?

I am not trying to develop anything. I just don't understand why you seem to have issues with all these folks.

People i have no problem yielding to are deacon, and i for get the mods name beginning with a Hei or something.

I think you mean Hentenza. Both are great people. I am glad you get along with them.

So your issue is i said you were judging me when you were not so you decide to start judging me.

At some point you have to stop arguing with everyone. If you are the one in the middle of this all the time, maybe the issue is not everyone else.

The issue was you told me to forgive him I took that as you were implying I did not, but rather than say hey that is not what i meant you began to attack my Character.

I asked you to clarify because I could not imagine how you got me judging you out of that.

And again, after watching you fight with this many folks, yes, I thought it was time to point it out.

Why do you have issues with all these folks?

Now is that the Christian thing to do, blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called the sons of God, but you attack, and I have yet to attack you. I have been addressing your post.

You must be joking. So saying I am judgmental, and part of a judgmental trend among Christians, and that I am part of a conspiracy to attack Jesus and you is not addressing me personally?

You seem to be saying you are sick of me and that I fight with everyone. If that is true why post in my threads, why read them. The issue is with you not me. Seems to me the simple thing to do is remove your self from the things you do not like, yet you seek it out. This whole time I have been on the defense when i was seeking support and understanding from fellow brothers and sisters. In stead I got Ham who went of saying ell we all sin and implying there is no deference between pride of sin and repenting. then he let that go and moved on.

So the problem is no one is listening to the other.

You are speaking in nearly every thread. I am not going to stop posting here because you have a list of folks you think are out to get you, and have for some reason included me on it.

You have no proof whatsoever that there is a crusade out to get you. And I cant speak for the others on your list as I really don't talk to them other than in the public posts here. However, I can say definitely that a crusade against Bluelion is not something that ever crossed my mind.

 

[tall73]

Now if you got lumped in i am sorry, but that does not excused your behavior of then attack me and judging me, and you need to say sorry. I have said it can you?

I am to say sorry for saying you are fighting a lot when you just listed 6 people that you are currently fighting with? I guess I don't understand where I went wrong on this assessment.


Why are you fighting with six people (and now 7 with me I guess)?

 

[Bluelion]

I am to say sorry for saying you are fighting a lot when you just listed 6 people that you are currently fighting with? I guess I don't understand where I went wrong on this assessment.


Why are you fighting with six people (and now 7 with me I guess)?

and now maybe people can see you have no interest in getting along with me now you are just trying to start something up again when i offered peace.

Oh something must be wrong with me. Well i show other people who know me these little post and they all say is wrong with these people and they say there Christians. One of my friends is a professional psychologist she says you guys have major issues. SHe calls it getting brave behind a key board, that people act very badly when people don't know who they are, where is me i am me online or in person. I don't act differently. I met my wife online and she said you are the same person on the computer i thought you would be different. nope. Another fact is i write the same ideas I post here in papers for school, though more formal and with references, and I make A's B's on the papers. One point was people started arguing with me that America was not founded on Christian principles. I was taking a History class and spoke with my professor about what was going on, she felt it necessary to address the whole class and explain America was founded on Christian principles. This Is a woman with A doctorate in American History, yet people don't yield to her they thing they know as much from the internet. The issue is with you guys. Like I said i have like 18 friends which i don't fight with, we have great fellowship. So your theory that I am at fault because 6 people argue with me does not hold water because i have many more friends. So again you lie.

The fact is you are to proud to admit you are wrong and that is the problem, i offered reconciliation but you reject and start more attacks. The issue once again is you. Everyone says why do i come on here because I have to deal with people like you looking to attack someone to make there self feel better. I think Jesus said it best and I follow him, he said I have not come to call those who think themselves righteous but those who know they are sinners.

You tell me to forgive the man who was proud of His sin, then why have you not forgiven me why do you still attack me. and no not all of us are hypocrites but you are.

Jesus said unless your righteousness is better than the pharisee you will not see heaven. WHat did he mean? The pharisees love to tell people what to do and about there sin, but they did not practice what they preached. Remove the log out of your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your brothers eye.

Oh and here is a tip if you attack a child of God you are attacking Jesus. Jesus said what you do to the least of my brothers you do to me. So now you explain how you attack one of His children and not Him, because He does not see it that way. For the record I am not attack you but speaking truth.

 

[tall73]

and now maybe people can see you have no interest in getting along with me now you are just trying to start something up again when i offered peace.

Oh something must be wrong with me. Well i show other people who know me these little post and they all say is wrong with these people and they say there Christians. One of my friends is a professional psychologist she says you guys have major issues. SHe calls it getting brave behind a key board, that people act very badly when people don't know who they are, where is me i am me online or in person. I don't act differently. I met my wife online and she said you are the same person on the computer i thought you would be different. nope. Another fact is i write the same ideas I post here in papers for school, though more formal and with references, and I make A's B's on the papers. One point was people started arguing with me that America was not founded on Christian principles. I was taking a History class and spoke with my professor about what was going on, she felt it necessary to address the whole class and explain America was founded on Christian principles. This Is a woman with A doctorate in American History, yet people don't yield to her they thing they know as much from the internet. The issue is with you guys. Like I said i have like 18 friends which i don't fight with, we have great fellowship. So your theory that I am at fault because 6 people argue with me does not hold water because i have many more friends. So again you lie.

The fact is you are to proud to admit you are wrong and that is the problem, i offered reconciliation but you reject and start more attacks. The issue once again is you. Everyone says why do i come on here because I have to deal with people like you looking to attack someone to make there self feel better. I think Jesus said it best and I follow him, he said I have not come to call those who think themselves righteous but those who know they are sinners.

You tell me to forgive the man who was proud of His sin, then why have you not forgiven me why do you still attack me. and no not all of us are hypocrites but you are.

Jesus said unless your righteousness is better than the pharisee you will not see heaven. WHat did he mean? The pharisees love to tell people what to do and about there sin, but they did not practice what they preached. Remove the log out of your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your brothers eye.

Oh and here is a tip if you attack a child of God you are attacking Jesus. Jesus said what you do to the least of my brothers you do to me. So now you explain how you attack one of His children and not Him, because He does not see it that way. For the record I am not attack you but speaking truth.

If attacking God's children is attacking Jesus, why are you fighting with 6 people on here? Are you not then attacking 6 of God's children?

Why when you attack is it speaking the truth? Why when everyone else attacks is it a conspiracy attacking you and Jesus?


I don't see any reason to say sorry when what I said was accurate and needed.

You never acknowledged your role in fighting with these folks. You only said you were sorry for lumping me into the conspiracy, but still said it was my issue for pointing out you are fighting with a lot of folks.

If you are fighting with 6 folks (and now me) that is not something I should apologize for pointing out, regardless of what your psychologist friend says.

There is a reason you keep getting into fights.

 

[tall73]

and now maybe people can see you have no interest in getting along with me now you are just trying to start something up again when i offered peace.

You didn't offer peace. You offered me a chance to say sorry for making a true statement.

Let's review.

a. I contended you are fighting with people.

b. You admit you are fighting with 6 people.

c. You ask me to apologize for saying you are fighting with people.

There is no reason to apologize for a true statement.

 

[tall73]

Well i show other people who know me these little post and they all say is wrong with these people and they say there Christians.

Have you shown them all the threads you were arguing in for months? Then they might not think that.

 

[tall73]

The issue is with you guys. Like I said i have like 18 friends which i don't fight with, we have great fellowship. So your theory that I am at fault because 6 people argue with me does not hold water because i have many more friends. So again you lie.

One of the 18 appears to be someone you listed in the conspiracy against you. However, the fact that you have some people you don't get into fights with doesn't really explain why you seem to be fighting so often in the threads. A lot of folks have friends they do not get into fights with. And they don't have lists of folks who they argue with either.

I don't see most folks carrying on all the time and listing a group of enemies against them on here.

You tell me to forgive the man who was proud of His sin, then why have you not forgiven me why do you still attack me. and no not all of us are hypocrites but you are.

a. We are not to judge those out of the church.
b. We are to judge those in the church.

1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
1Co 5:13 God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

So I will continue to point out that you have been fighting here for months. It is everyone else that is the problem according to you, and a big conspiracy. Yet, I don't see other folks on this forum with the same issue as you, always fighting with folks.


Daryl mentioned it, now I am mentioning it, since you did not change what you were doing.