What is ID?

[Colter]

What, exactly, do you mean by that?

The general claim in the philosophy of materialism is that inert matter (the elements that make up life forms) became life and then marched forward into more and more complex and diverse life forms to the point of self consciousness naturally.

 

[doubtingmerle]

You have no evidence of how life came into existence.

And do you have evidence for how you think the first life came into existence?

As you believe that the first life in existence was God, I await to see your evidence for how that first life (God) came into existence.

And no, theological assertions are not the same thing as evidence.

 

[doubtingmerle]

The general claim in the philosophy of materialism is that inert matter (the elements that make up life forms) became life and then marched forward into more and more complex and diverse life forms to the point of self consciousness naturally.

... and diamonds form naturally, and coal forms naturally, and pearls form naturally, and snowflakes form naturally and...

Need I continue?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The general claim in the philosophy of materialism is that inert matter (the elements that make up life forms) became life

I don't know where you received lessons in chemistry, but I'ld ask my money back.

The matter that makes up life is anything BUT chemically inert. We aren't made from Helium.
Instead, we are carbon based... Carbon... The most chemically rich element there is. You can make more molecules based on carbon, then you can with all other elements combined.

and then marched forward into more and more complex and diverse life forms to the point of self consciousness naturally.

Yes, it's called biological evolution. Perhaps you've heared it being mentioned a few times in high school biology.

 

[xianghua]

... and diamonds form naturally, and coal forms naturally, and pearls form naturally, and snowflakes form naturally and...

Need I continue?

and dogs are also form naturally?

 

[Gene Parmesan]

and dogs are also form naturally?

 

[Colter]

And do you have evidence for how you think the first life came into existence?

As you believe that the first life in existence was God, I await to see your evidence for how that first life (God) came into existence.

And no, theological assertions are not the same thing as evidence.

Theological assertions are wisdom. God is the absolute, infinite and eternal truth. The one uncaused reality. Finite man and his material universe isn't the cause, it is the consequence.

Apart form the mercy ministry of revelation, finite man can't help but to create an illogical universe in his conception of origins.

 

[Colter]

... and diamonds form naturally, and coal forms naturally, and pearls form naturally, and snowflakes form naturally and...

Need I continue?

None of those examples show how life formed naturally from inert (non living) matter. Coal comes from life, pearls from a living creature.

 

[Colter]

I don't know where you received lessons in chemistry, but I'ld ask my money back.

The matter that makes up life is anything BUT chemically inert. We aren't made from Helium.
Instead, we are carbon based... Carbon... The most chemically rich element there is. You can make more molecules based on carbon, then you can with all other elements combined.



Yes, it's called biological evolution. Perhaps you've heared it being mentioned a few times in high school biology.

Still just bluffing. None of that explains how matter was organized into primitive life forms.

 

[Colter]

"A mechanistic philosophy of life and the universe cannot be scientific because science recognizes and deals only with materials and facts. Philosophy is inevitably superscientific. Man is a material fact of nature, but his life is a phenomenon which transcends the material levels of nature in that it exhibits the control attributes of mind and the creative qualities of spirit." UB 1955

 

[Colter]

That's the faith of the Atheist religion.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

That's the faith of the Atheist religion.

Is there a supernatural aspect of the birth of a dog? I mean, I won't claim to KNOW. I'm unaware of any problem in science explaining dogs coming into this world naturally.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

there is no intelligence also in an automatic facotry that produce cars. but a car is still evidence for design.



where? reference please. and remember that this is only the first step.

There are no existing automatic factories. Some human has to come in and service every factory quite frequently. And I'm not going to give you a reference to prove the existence of an entire branch of organic chemistry. Google "peptide synthesis".

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Still just bluffing. None of that explains how matter was organized into primitive life forms.

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If you take the phospholipids that make a cell membrane and you break their bonds, they naturally reform into cell membranes. All that has to happen is the right glob of RNA gets trapped by them and you have a basic living organism. As for how RNA formed, we think it formed in space and then fell to Earth. We find proteins in meteorites all the time.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Still just bluffing. None of that explains how matter was organized into primitive life forms.

What "bluffing"? What are you talking about?
Do you deny what I said? That carbon is the most chemically rich element we know of? That you can make more molecules with carbon then all other elements combined?

And what are you complaining about, really? That science hasn't solved everything there is to solve, answered every question one can come up with, and that more works needs to be done?

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That's not a "primitive" life form.
That's a modern organism which is the result of some 3.8 billion years of evolution.

 

[Colter]

Is there a supernatural aspect of the birth of a dog? I mean, I won't claim to KNOW. I'm unaware of any problem in science explaining dogs coming into this world naturally.

If we collected all of the elements that that make up a dog, put them in separate piles an observed them congeal together, and a dog popped out, then yes, that would be supernatural. The supernatural happened long ago when the creators of life organized the patterns which eventually evolved into dogs of today. Atheist avoid the explanation of the beginning of life by drawing attention to the evolution of that life as evidenced in the fossil record as well as the living product of those implantations today.

Man transcends the material as a conscious being. If we were just machines we wouldn't have two different interpretations of the origins of life.

"Neither should science discount religious experience on grounds of credulity, not so long as it persists in the assumption that man's intellectual and philosophic endowments emerged from increasingly lesser intelligences the further back they go, finally taking origin in primitive life which was utterly devoid of all thinking and feeling." UB 55

 

[Colter]

What "bluffing"? What are you talking about?
Do you deny what I said? That carbon is the most chemically rich element we know of? That you can make more molecules with carbon then all other elements combined?

And what are you complaining about, really? That science hasn't solved everything there is to solve, answered every question one can come up with, and that more works needs to be done?



That's not a "primitive" life form.
That's a modern organism which is the result of some 3.8 billion years of evolution.

The philosophy of materialism (inert matter spontaneously becoming life) isn't science, thats philosophy.

Bluffing is drawing attention to what is when someone is talking about how things came to be. Causes.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The supernatural happened long ago when the creators of life organized the patterns which eventually evolved into dogs of today.

Got evidence to support that wild claim?

Atheist avoid the explanation of the beginning of life

Really? That's news to me.

by drawing attention to the evolution of that life as evidenced in the fossil record as well as the living product of those implantations today.

Origins of life and origins of diversity of already existing life, are 2 seperate subjects. They don't even belong to the same field of study.

The reason why educated people (not just "atheists") don't conflate the two, is because they understand they are two different subjects.

 

[Colter]

Got evidence to support that wild claim?



Really? That's news to me.



Origins of life and origins of diversity of already existing life, are 2 seperate subjects. They don't even belong to the same field of study.

The reason why educated people (not just "atheists") don't conflate the two, is because they understand they are two different subjects.

Beyond common sense, no. Neither do you have evidence to support the even wilder claim that inert matter decided to become life and develop a faith in origins.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The philosophy of materialism (inert matter spontaneously becoming life) isn't science, thats philosophy.

I don't think I expressed anything about "philosophy" or "materialism" in any way.

Having said that, the idea of supernatural origins for anything is not science; it's magic.

Bluffing is drawing attention to what is when someone is talking about how things came to be. Causes.

And evolution is a very important aspec of how extant living things came to be.

As for the origins of life itself, that's a thing that is under investigation by abiogenesis researchers. And while a lot of progress is being made, the riddle isn't solved yet.

That's what you do when you don't know: you ask questions and get to work.
Instead of just assuming the answers before even asking the question or doing the work, like you are doing here.