What is ID?

[TagliatelliMonster]

That is an example of the faith of atheism

Another one, that doesn't seem to understand the difference between atheism and biology.

, that all these living things defy the law of inertia in seeking higher and more complex life forms for no particular reason.

No laws are being broken by the observable proces of evolution.

Its the notion that there was no purpose or plan behind the ironic evolution of all these life forms that even complement each other in their unplanned function?

Evolution explains why certain organisms complement eachother and the reason is simple survival mechanisms. It's called natural selection. And it has nothing to do with atheism or vice versa. As the many theistic evolutionary biologists attest to, every single day.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

That is an example of the faith of atheism, that all these living things defy the law of inertia in seeking higher and more complex life forms for no particular reason. Its the notion that there was no purpose or plan behind the ironic evolution of all these life forms that even complement each other in their unplanned function?

The "law of inertia," as you call it, disproves evolution? Oh please do go on. And might I request a mention for encouraging you when you win the Nobel Prize?

 

[bhsmte]

That is an example of the faith of atheism, that all these living things defy the law of inertia in seeking higher and more complex life forms for no particular reason. Its the notion that there was no purpose or plan behind the ironic evolution of all these life forms that even complement each other in their unplanned function?

LOL

 

[xianghua]

That's also the difference between a flagellum and an engine. If the right chemicals come together in the right order, a functioning flagellum will form. There are no spontaneous reactions that make an engine. A human input is required.

not realy. motor from any kind need a designer. proteins also also not form naturally as far as we know (and even if they are it doesnt mean that they will form a flagellum). so its basically the same situation.

 

[Speedwell]

not realy. motor from any kind need a designer. proteins also also not form naturally as far as we know (and even if they are it doesnt mean that they will form a flagellum). so its basically the same situation.

Baseless assertion. So how do proteins form, Xianghua? You don't know, you just know that it couldn't have been naturally, right?

Same with the motors. You have no idea whether all "motors" need a designer but you've trapped yourself in the position that if the flagellum can evolve naturally then your god is dead but mine isn't, and you'd rather have it the other way around.

 

[xianghua]

So now what?

so now we see why the flagellum must be design and not evolved. more then that?

 

[xianghua]

What I was saying was, if you show me evidence that God exists, then I will not say that it (that is, God's existence) is impossible.

ok. so if god exist, you will still have a problem to accept a creation de-novo? yes or no?

 

[xianghua]

That is, we know that ACTUAL spinning motors made up from metals, plastics, rubber tubes, etc are designed.

so if it was made from wood (oragnic matter) it will not need a designer?

 

[Jimmy D]

so now we see why the flagellum must be design and not evolved. more then that?

No one sees that apart from you, what could that mean?

 

[Jimmy D]

ok. so if god exist, you will still have a problem to accept a creation de-novo? yes or no?

What de-novo creation? The very first single celled proto-life or zebras popping out of the air?

 

[Colter]

The "law of inertia," as you call it, disproves evolution? Oh please do go on. And might I request a mention for encouraging you when you win the Nobel Prize?

I didn't say it disproves evolution, evolution is creation in motion. Matter alone doesn't have mind, only a creative mind gives mind to matter.

 

[Colter]

LOL

When you were a Christian all those years, how would you have explained it?

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I didn't say it disproves evolution, evolution is creation in motion. Matter alone doesn't have mind, only a creative mind gives mind to matter.

At the very least, you seemed to claim that "the law of inertia" would render evolution impossible, at least by natural means, correct? Still a Nobel Prize in it for you.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

not realy. motor from any kind need a designer. proteins also also not form naturally as far as we know (and even if they are it doesnt mean that they will form a flagellum). so its basically the same situation.

When I say they form spontaneously, I mean spontaneously. There is no intelligence or order in the formation of flagella. And proteins DO form naturally. We've proven it. Same deal, the right chemicals in the right order.

 

[bhsmte]

When you were a Christian all those years, how would you have explained it?

Not like you.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

the flagellum is a spinning motor. we know that a spinning motor is evidence for design and not a natural process. so we know that nature was designed and not evolved by a nantural process.

This was laughed out of court in 2005.

Ken Miller even mocked this claim by wearing this in court

 

[Colter]

Not like you.

LOL

 

[bhsmte]

This was laughed out of court in 2005.

Ken Miller even mocked this claim by wearing this in court

Yep. Never a good thing, when the star expert witness has to admit under oath, that if ID is to be considered science, than astrology would be also.

 

[Colter]

At the very least, you seemed to claim that "the law of inertia" would render evolution impossible, at least by natural means, correct? Still a Nobel Prize in it for you.

No, that's incorrect. Inertia being a natural state of matter, demonstrates that the evolution of life without cause is counterintuitive. To say that mind and the multiplicity of complexity of life, immerged from matter as a phenomenon explains nothing, it's a form of faith in an endless happenstance.

 

[Colter]

Another one, that doesn't seem to understand the difference between atheism and biology.



No laws are being broken by the observable proces of evolution.



Evolution explains why certain organisms complement eachother and the reason is simple survival mechanisms. It's called natural selection. And it has nothing to do with atheism or vice versa. As the many theistic evolutionary biologists attest to, every single day.

That organisms complement each other motivated to survive by natural selection doesn't explain how matter acquired such patterns and attributes apart from creative mind. That is the faith of material-ism.

"The partially evolved mental mechanism of mortal man is not overendowed with consistency and wisdom. Man's conceit often outruns his reason and eludes his logic."