what is homosexuality?

[savedandhappy1]

the desire to have sex with young children in general is not inherently wrong. (it is a psychological disorder). it is when a person acts out that underlying desire either physically or mentally with a specific child that it becomes wrong.

the desire to force other people generally to have sex with you against their will is not inherently wrong. it is when a person acts out that underlying desire either physically or mentally with a specific person that it becomes wrong.

if a person who desires only to have sex with children, or a person who desires only to have non-consensual sex does not act out those desires either physically or mentally, then that is not a sin.

I don't agree with the post that you wrote this post in response to, but.........

If the Lord says that if you commit adultery in your mind it is a sin wouldn't the above be also?

 

[lmnop9876]

I don't agree with the post that you wrote this post in response to, but.........

If the Lord says that if you commit adultery in your mind it is a sin wouldn't the above be also?

as i said, committing rape or child abuse in one's mind is as much a sin as committing it physically. however, it is not a sin to be unable to be sexually aroused without doing or thinking of these acts, it is a psychological disorder.

 

[never_stop]

Sexual orientation is a myth. We are responsible for our actions. What does "being attracted to" mean anyhow? I think flowers are pretty. Does that make me a florasexual?

 

[Phinehas2]

I think this is a very helpful thread pjw.
And I agree with you in general. Nonetheless I see that Jesus teaches that lustful desires for another woman apart from one's wife are wrong as well. So therfore just having the susceptibility to desires, isn't worse for one person than another. One shouldnt isolate homosexual desires as worse than adulterous desires or desires of greed. Accepting we are all fallen and fall short of the glory of God, Jesus did say to those who didnt believe in Him that they would all die in their sins. John 8
But I think referring to homosexuals all the time just separates people in a way God doesnt want people to be separated. Furthemore in Christ of course there is no separation, all are one who are in Christ. This is why there is no such thing as a gay Christian, if one is a Christian one is a Christian, one may be a Christian and a homosexual as well , as in having same-sex attraction.
However I have to note that in the discussions when posters like myself refer to same-sex sex, some continue to refer to homosexuality.

 

[Zaac]

We only choose to disobey you. Not God's Word. God's Word prohibits specific same sex acts which were not even carried out by homosexuals most of the time.

I didn't give you an order. He prohibits all same sex-sexual acts and you trying to exempt some with that cacophony of exception speak you just gave doesn't change what He says.

If you're gay, you CHOOSE to fornicate and commit same-sex sexual acts just as the heterosexual CHOOSES to commit fornicative heterosexual acts.

There are no exceptions.

 

[AxionEsti]

I didn't give you an order. He prohibits all same sex-sexual acts and you trying to exempt some with that cacophony of exception speak you just gave doesn't change what He says.

If you're gay, you CHOOSE to fornicate and commit same-sex sexual acts just as the heterosexual CHOOSES to commit fornicative heterosexual acts.

There are no exceptions.

You bring up a good comparison. It's a heterosexual's choice in the matter, but not a homosexual's? "I can't help myself," attutude is really a common excuse.

 

[Ohioprof]

Sexual orientation is a myth. We are responsible for our actions. What does "being attracted to" mean anyhow? I think flowers are pretty. Does that make me a florasexual?

Are you sexually attracted to flowers? Do you seek emotional fulfillment through as lifelong partnership with a flower?

 

[Ohioprof]

You bring up a good comparison. It's a heterosexual's choice in the matter, but not a homosexual's? "I can't help myself," attutude is really a common excuse.

No one has said, "I can't help myself" when it comes to sexual acts. You distort what gay people are saying.
I am gay. Of course I choose whether and when to have sexual intimacy. That is a choice.

Sexual orientation, for me anyway, is not a choice.

 

[Zaac]

No one has said, "I can't help myself" when it comes to sexual acts. You distort what gay people are saying.
I am gay. Of course I choose whether and when to have sexual intimacy. That is a choice.

Sexual orientation, for me anyway, is not a choice.

Good. You admit that you CHOOSE to fornicate.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Good. You admit that you CHOOSE to fornicate.

Don't think he said he didn't.

 

[HaloHope]

No one has said, "I can't help myself" when it comes to sexual acts. You distort what gay people are saying.
I am gay. Of course I choose whether and when to have sexual intimacy. That is a choice.

Sexual orientation, for me anyway, is not a choice.

Exactly, I can never understand this "No self control" thing. I of course have self-control, however I also have a need as a human to seek emotional fulfilment with a romantic partner. I happen to just not have a choice in that I am attracted to women so my romantic partner will be a woman.

Bottom line it it is only reasonable to ask a homosexual to be celibate and alone if all hetrosexuals who oppose same-sex relationships (and for all those word twisters out there I shall clarify I mean monogamous yet sexual) abandon their relationships/marriages and are alone forever themselves.

 

[Zaac]

Don't think he said he didn't.

And thus my response.

 

[RebeccaJO]

It is a desire that a person choses to be. They are not born a homosexual, because God didn't create anyone to be like this. It is a desire that comes from the heart. They can change if they wanted to and have a strong enough desire to.

 

[Ohioprof]

It is a desire that a person choses to be. They are not born a homosexual, because God didn't create anyone to be like this. It is a desire that comes from the heart. They can change if they wanted to and have a strong enough desire to.

You are wrong. Plus, I see no reason to want to change my sexual orientation even if I could. There is nothing wrong with being gay, and there is no reason for gay people to wish to be other than we are, as God made us, which is gay.

 

[Brieuse]

I didn't give you an order. He prohibits all same sex-sexual acts and you trying to exempt some with that cacophony of exception speak you just gave doesn't change what He says.

If you're gay, you CHOOSE to fornicate and commit same-sex sexual acts just as the heterosexual CHOOSES to commit fornicative heterosexual acts.

There are no exceptions.

He doesn't prohibit all homosexual acts.

Obviously the act of sex is a choice. Are you trying to convince us all of celibacy now?

 

[david_x]

Lack of choice to be straight.

 

[RebeccaJO]

You are wrong. Plus, I see no reason to want to change my sexual orientation even if I could. There is nothing wrong with being gay, and there is no reason for gay people to wish to be other than we are, as God made us, which is gay.

I hope and pray for your sake and others that think like you, that your mind changes before it is too late. You can't follow Jesus, as you say you do and not change for him. You have to be the clay and let him be the Potter, so he can mold you into what he wants. But he can't as long as you are inwilling to change.

We all need to change, we all need to have an willing heart and soul and mind for the Lord.

 

[HaloHope]

I hope and pray for your sake and others that think like you, that your mind changes before it is too late. You can't follow Jesus, as you say you do and not change for him. You have to be the clay and let him be the Potter, so he can mold you into what he wants. But he can't as long as you are inwilling to change.

We all need to change, we all need to have an willing heart and soul and mind for the Lord.

I dont see why its such a difficult concept to fathom when people such as myself say we have changed for Jesus, there are plenty of things I had to remove from my life when I came to the Lord. However, my sexuality nor my relationship with my girlfreind is nothing Jesus wants me to "REPENT!" of, beause neither is a sin.

 

[RebeccaJO]

I dont see why its such a difficult concept to fathom when people such as myself say we have changed for Jesus, there are plenty of things I had to remove from my life when I came to the Lord. However, my sexuality nor my relationship with my girlfreind is nothing Jesus wants me to "REPENT!" of, beause neither is a sin.

How can you say you have changed for Jesus, when you are still going against God's word?

I hope that God opens up your eyes and show you the truth. Right now, you are blind and can not see that Satan has put wool over your eyes.

 

[tulc]

Right now, you are blind and can not see that Satan has put wool over your eyes.

...or not.
tulc(I mean you could be wrong, right?)