What is hell?

[ARBITER01]

That's a pretty weak leap in logic. Purification IS punishing and cleansing people of their sins, their wrong doings.

Sorry, there is no amnesty teaching in our bible.

 

[Timothew]

Sorry, there is no amnesty teaching in our bible.

I didn't know what "amnesty" meant, so I looked it up. The dictionary said "an official pardon". What bible are you using? In our church we teach that Christ's death on the cross grants a pardon for all who repent and turn to Him.

 

[ARBITER01]

I didn't know what "amnesty" meant, so I looked it up. The dictionary said "an official pardon". What bible are you using? In our church we teach that Christ's death on the cross grants a pardon for all who repent and turn to Him.

Oh hi universalist, we meet again.

Here is the definition of amnesty,..

am·nes·ty
noun 1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.

3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense. verb (used with object)
4. to grant amnesty to; pardon.

Are you sure you even looked that up or did you just cherry pick the meaning to be very vague and generalized?

By the way, this was my meaning I highlighted. There is no teaching in the bible where a mass of people will be forgiven. Not here right now, nor in the future.

 

[Timothew]

Oh hi universalist, we meet again.

Here is the definition of amnesty,..

Are you sure you even looked that up or did you just cherry pick the meaning to be very vague and generalized?

By the way, this was my meaning I highlighted. There is no teaching in the bible where a mass of people will be forgiven. Not here right now, nor in the future.

Hi Eternal Tormentalist! I'm always happy to talk to you!

I'm actually a "conditional immortality-ist" or "annihilationist" if you will.
To get the definition of amnesty, I googled "amnesty definition" and "an official pardon" came up. You are correct, I did not dwelve deep into the definition to find the one subdefinition that you used. You might be right using subdefintion 2. I was apparently only using subdefs 1,3, and 4.

My bad.

 

[hedrick]

Unfortunately the accounts of hell are all sufficiently symbolic that I think it's a mistake to come up with literal descriptions. What we know is that evil and the powers that support it will be destroyedThat includes the evil in us. All of us will be accountable for what we have done, even though through Christ we are forgiven. Will some people be unredeemable? I don't see how we teach universalism as something known. But many of us hope that God has yet more in store.

 

[AvgJoe]

What is hell?

Jesus described hell as:

• A place of fire (Mt 5:22; 7:19; 13:42,50; 25:41; Mk 9:43-48)
• A place separated from God's presence (Mt 7:23)
• A place of darkness (Mt 8:12; 22:13)
• A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt 8:12; 13:42, 50; 22:13; 25:30)
• A place of varying degrees of punishment (Mk 12:40; Lk 10:13-14; 12:47-48)

The apostles descirbe hell as:

• A place of indignation, wrath, tribulation and anguish (Rom 2:8-9)
• Flaming fire and everlasting destruction away from God's presence (2 Thes 1:6-9)
• Eternal judegment (heb 6:2)
• Fiery indignation, which will devour God's enemies (Heb 10:27)
• A place of fire (James 3:6; Jude 6-7)
• The final expression od God's judgement (2 Pet 2:4-9)
• A fiery place where the smoke of suffering will rise forever (Rev 14:11)
• A lake of fire, the second death (Rev 20:14-15)

Where does it state in the Bible sinners will be tortured for ever and ever?

The Bible doesn't say 'torture'. It does say torment.

The devil is cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever (Rev 20:10). And anyone not found written in the Book of Life(unrepentant sinners) was cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:15).

 

[Old Seer]

a state of death, non existence. In biblical terms it also can refer to death with no possible resurrection, as , "lake of fire" meaning final end with no return. It is impossible for hell to exist as some religions teach it does. Only the righteous are given everlasting life. If one were to be condemed to hell as a place of everlasting suffering then the unrighteous live forever also. There's nothing in the bible that states the condemned have any kind of everlasting life. Death is a state of non-existence and the same as before conceived. One cannot exist before conception that begins the forming process. There aren't souls sitting and waiting on a bench for a body. The person forms sometime before birth, and the completion carries on after birth.

 

[socialisview]

its seperation from god, despair or separation from yourself that is what gives you the hunger and thirst in hell. the fire is only the comforter for all the pain your going through.

 

[socialisview]

in the book of enoch its has that the bloodthirsty giants that were washed away in the flood are the tortures of hell.

 

[Fireinfolding]

The sea, death and hell gave up the dead that were in them and were judged.

Though, death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, is called the second death, so death and hell are not for ever and ever, the Lake of fire is specifically noted as that isnt it? If any are not found in the book of life, its there (after death and hell deliver up the dead in them) such are cast into it as well correct?

 

[DamianWarS]

I have found this video to be a good perspective of sheol trying to take the original hebrew thought of the word.

Heaven and Hell: The Geography of Sheol (Part 5 of ?) - YouTube

this is the last part of a 5 part series of "Heaven and Hell" by Jeff Benner who tries to honestly look at the true Hebrew perspective of the words we call today heaven and hell. Very interesting video series

Heaven and Hell 5 part video series by Jeff Benner

 

[Fireinfolding]

I'll have a look at this one later Damianwars, thank you. I gotta head out grocery shopping soon (love Fridays! lol) However I am so bad at receiving things on video, dont know why that is. Comparing words works so much better for me. Although I know videos really work for you (if I recall correctly) because I believe you had shared one with me before once.

When I have a moment before this weekend takes off I will give it a watch, thank you.

God bless you

 

[DamianWarS]

I'll have a look at this one later Damianwars, thank you. I gotta head out grocery shopping soon (love Fridays! lol) However I am so bad at receiving things on video, dont know why that is. Comparing words works so much better for me. Although I know videos really work for you (if I recall correctly) because I believe you had shared one with me before once.

When I have a moment before this weekend takes off I will give it a watch, thank you.

God bless you

I actually don't like to post many videos but would rather study each point of a said video (or lecture, study or whatever) and then articulate it in my own words and through my own study (I end up learning more that way), Recently I have been going through a lot of hebrew study and have come across this guy Jeff Benner (the voice in the video) who has posted a lot of videos on youtube in a lecture/teaching style. I have really enjoyed the depth of study and honesty that he tries to expose in the hebrew language. I started writing a large post but found myself just referring back to this video so I thought it was better articulated by the original.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I will have a look for sure then, typing can be rather tedious

Cant agree more there lol

God bless

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The sea, death and hell gave up the dead that were in them and were judged.

Though, death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, is called the second death, so death and hell are not for ever and ever, the Lake of fire is specifically noted as that isnt it? If any are not found in the book of life, its there (after death and hell deliver up the dead in them) such are cast into it as well correct?

Isaiah 66:24
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44;"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."


What say ye of their worm?
http://www.christianforums.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+66:23-24&version=KJV

 

[Timothew]

Isaiah 66:24
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44;"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."


What say ye of their worm?

Read all of Isaiah 66, then come back here and tell us if the worm is eating dead bodies or conscious living bodies.
Then ask again, "What say ye of their worm?"

 

[Fireinfolding]

Isaiah 66:24
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44;"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."


What say ye of their worm?

Your the prophet bro, Im just the little babe (teach me teach me)

 

[Fireinfolding]

I have found this video to be a good perspective of sheol trying to take the original hebrew thought of the word.

Heaven and Hell: The Geography of Sheol (Part 5 of ?) - YouTube

this is the last part of a 5 part series of "Heaven and Hell" by Jeff Benner who tries to honestly look at the true Hebrew perspective of the words we call today heaven and hell. Very interesting video series

Heaven and Hell 5 part video series by Jeff Benner

Thanks DamianWars, that was very brief and simplified, just finished watching it. Thought it would be alot longer then it was

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Read all of Isaiah 66, then come back here and tell us if the worm is eating dead bodies or conscious living bodies.
Then ask again, "What say ye of their worm?"

Are the dead conscious of their transgressions?

Exodus 16:20
Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.

I suppose the answer of that depends on if you see the worm as being literal, or given as a spiritual sign of something else.

Since it was spoken by Jesus as their worm, it to me is shown as having a deeper spiritual meaning.

So I ask again, what say ye of their worm?

http://www.christianforums.com/passage/?search=Exodus+16:19-21&version=KJV

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thats why I try to stay OUT of these conversations and NOT be dragged IN (hint hint)