What is hell?

[InSpiritInTruth]

Your the prophet bro, Im just the little babe (teach me teach me)

All those who are in Christ, have that Prophet dwelling in them.

Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy.

 

[Fireinfolding]

But you have said you were a prophet, and you know that I said I am a babe, and whom can he teach knowledge save the one weaned from the breast.

See my dilema?

I need a prophet to show me the worm

You asked me, and you so know better, tell us about the worm, com on bro

 

[Fireinfolding]

And what have the sting of death being sin and the power of sin the law to do with O grave, and O death?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

But you have said you were a prophet, and you know that I said I am a babe, and whom can he teach knowledge save the one weaned from the breast.

See my dilema?

I need a prophet to show me the worm

You asked me, and you so know better, tell us about the worm, com on bro

Because I put forth a question, I know better?

I suppose that depends on what you believe.

If you need a Prophet to show you, then ask him your self.

Matthew 23:10
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

http://www.christianforums.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23:9-11&version=KJV

 

[Fireinfolding]

Because I put forth a question, I know better?

I meant you know better then to ask me, unless you were asking my inner prophet?

I suppose that depends on what you believe.

If you need a Prophet to show you, then ask him your self.

Matthew 23:10
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

I dont really bro, just messing, I never said I was a prophet, but do you believe someone calling themselves a prophet equal to being called Master?

There are ten thousand instructors in Christ, are you against being a helpful instructor?

 

[socialisview]

ask god for yourself he'll show you.

 

[Fireinfolding]

ask god for yourself he'll show you.

Thanks, what a great idea! I would have never thought to do that!

Most folks are EAGER to instruct me, so I figure I why not? You know the seat of honour, prefer others better then you sorta thing.

 

[Old Seer]

is symbolic of everlasting death---once they are gone they won't be resurrected (no forgiveness). However, be careful, there is a difference between the old and new testaments. What goes in the old may not necessarily apply in the new. There are prophisies in the old that pretain to the new, or end times, and there are those that are for the Israelite only. The Isrealites were a civilized people under the law of Moses, not the laws of creation. The laws of Creation are the Creator Himself, and are the same as Christianity. Adam and JC are of the same spiritual makeup. Bear in mind-JC is a model of that creation, civilized people are creations of the state---laws made by man. Christianity (properly) is nothing more then the formula of which Adam was made. That means that Christianity is a return to the likeness of Adam-as Adam and JC are the "image of the Creator". JC is not a civilized person as Adam was before civilization--therefore then, civilization (concocted by man) is opposite that of the Creator. Under civilization a person is made into an image the state approves.

 

[AvgJoe]

a state of death, non existence. In biblical terms it also can refer to death with no possible resurrection, as , "lake of fire" meaning final end with no return. It is impossible for hell to exist as some religions teach it does. Only the righteous are given everlasting life. If one were to be condemed to hell as a place of everlasting suffering then the unrighteous live forever also. There's nothing in the bible that states the condemned have any kind of everlasting life. Death is a state of non-existence and the same as before conceived. One cannot exist before conception that begins the forming process. There aren't souls sitting and waiting on a bench for a body. The person forms sometime before birth, and the completion carries on after birth.

Jesus described hell as:

• A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt 8:12; 13:42, 50; 22:13; 25:30)
• A place of varying degrees of punishment (Mk 12:40; Lk 10:13-14; 12:47-48)

The apostles descirbe hell as:

• A place of indignation, wrath, tribulation and anguish (Rom 2:8-9)
• Eternal judgement (heb 6:2)
• A fiery place where the smoke of suffering will rise forever (Rev 14:11)

If hell is non-existence, why will there be weeping and gnashing of teeth, varying degrees of punishment, indignation, wrath, tribulation, anguish, judgement and the smoke of suffering that rises forever in this place where nothing exists? This statement that hell is non-existence does not line up with what the Bible says about hell.

There's nothing in the bible that states the condemned have any kind of everlasting life.

Matthew 25:46(NKJV) 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[Timothew]

Are the dead conscious of their transgressions?

Exodus 16:20
Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.

I suppose the answer of that depends on if you see the worm as being literal, or given as a spiritual sign of something else.

Since it was spoken by Jesus as their worm, it to me is shown as having a deeper spiritual meaning.

So I ask again, what say ye of their worm?

And I'll ask you again, read the rest of Isaiah 66, and find out what the worms are eating. Are the corpses alive? Go now, and read Isaiah 66.






OK, now that you've read the whole chapter, what say ye of their worm?
It means they are dead, just as the rest of the bible says. The wages of sin is death. Those who believe in Him will not perish but will have eternal life.

 

[socialisview]

i heARD ONE TIME SOMEBODY SAY that if you go to hell you wouldnt recognize your mother even if she was standing right in front of you. your concious in heal but only for yourself.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Always an interesting, and VERY enlightening discussion

 

[Timothew]

i heARD ONE TIME SOMEBODY SAY that if you go to hell you wouldnt recognize your mother even if she was standing right in front of you. your concious in heal but only for yourself.

According to the oft-repeated parable, The rich dude recognized Lazarus while he (the rich dude) was in hades. If the rich guy recognized Lazy from across a chasm, he would certainly recognized his own mom burning in agony standing right in front of him on fire.

That is, assuming the parable is literal instead of parabolic.

On the other hand, a person who is dead wouldn't recognize his own dead mother if they were buried in the same grave, because they are both dead. You have to be alive to recognize anyone.

 

[socialisview]

and you can say the same thing about a selfish person. death.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres a kool verse

Isaiah 14:9 hell (shĕ'owl) from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

 

[Old Seer]

would be everlasting death. No resurrection.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Death and hell deliver UP the dead that are in them. So these in particular are not everlasting, if death itself delivered up its dead (as does hell). Hell is asociated as a place of torment. However, in revelation hell delivering up its dead (in it) shows its not a for ever place. However, death (and hell itself) are shown as being cast into the lake of fire (called the second death) and anyone (delivered up from either) not found written in the book of life were cast into that as well. Which appears to be the permanent residence of death, hell and anyone not found in the book of life. There is torment associated with the second death as there is torment asociated with hell, though hell doesnt appear the permanent abode of the dead (in itself) but the latter the more permanent place of the former.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Some would say that it's the place people are living in now here on this earth before they are born again. If you die and are hellbound you come back to this place again. The resurrection from death and hell takes place right here.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Well you can abide in death while you live, even as one can be dead while one liveth, and it also speaks on being baptized in the likeness of his death that in the likeness of His ressurection we would so walk, and the passing from death unto life while we live. For example, he that hates his brother abideth in death even until now. And we know when we have passed from this death unto life when evidenced by our love.

It speaks of death unto death, and life unto life, and twicedead likewise.

So comparisons that way can be made

 

[Old Seer]

There is physical death and there is spiritual death. Spritual death is nothing more then a personal voluntary change to another mental state of being, whereby the old dies (no longer adhered to) and replaced by the new. . The fear of this death is attributed to the fear of leaving the present worlds mentality of materialism, superiority and money mentality. In order to enter the "new" one must die (put those things away) and become of the new. It's the same as "born again" where-by one becomes the new. This death is merely changing from this worlds precepts to the Christian (same as Adam or returning to the rudiments of Adam) and/or becoming the same as JC. JC is the world of Adam not this man made one which is the "fall of man". Think---he descended into hell and arose in/on the third day. That means he died and was resurrected proving him correct that there is immortality. This passage can be without a doubt used to decipher the term "hell" as biblical scribes intended. Hell is also used in terms of everlasting, which is a direct reference to no possible resurrection for some.