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What is hell?

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What is hell?

Where does it state in the Bible sinners will be tortured for ever and ever?


SHEOL
The English word "hell" apears 31 times in
the Old Testament and every time it comes
from the Hebrew "sheol," but "sheol," is, also,
translated "grave" 31 times, and "pit" 3
times. To fully understand what the Bible
hell is, we must understand what is meant by
the Hebrew word "sheol"
The King James translators of over 400
years ago, obviously, felt both hell and grave
carried the full meaning of "sheol" This is
true, when we realize from old English
sources that the Anglo-Saxon "helan" or
"hell" meant "to cover" or "to hide out of
sight." When farmers put potatoes or other
root crops in underground cellars to prevent
winter freezing, they called it "helling them,"
i.e., putting them into the ground and covering
them up. Putting a roof on a new house'
was called "helling. "It was entirely natural
for the translators to use either hell or grave
for "sheol" since both words meant the same
thing! "Hell" is very simply the "grave"!
Reading Scripture, where the word
"sheol" was used, will prove it means "grave."
Jacob expected to go to "sheol" when he died
(Gen. 37:35; 42:38). Godly Job, in his sorrow,
wished that he had died at birth and gone to
"sheol" (Job 3: 11-19). In those same verses
he describes it as a place, where "the wicked
cease from troubling; and there the
weary be at rest... they hear not the voice
of the oppressor." Hardly a place of screams
and torture and fire!
Ecclesiastes 9:10 tells us that "There is
no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor
wisdom, in the grave [sheol], whither
thou goest, " and that "The dead know
not any thing" (vss. 5, 10). Psalms 6:5
says, "In death there is no remembrance
of thee," which is similar to Psalms 115:17,
"The dead praise not the Lord, neither
any that go down into silence." "Sheol" is
translated "grave" eight times in the Psalms
(6:5; 30:3; 31:17; 49:14,15; 88:3,5; 89:48.
Read them).

GEHENNA

In the New Testament the Greek word
"gehenna" is translated "hell" 11 times. It is
the name of the burning dump out side of
Jerusalem where refuse and dead bodies of
criminals were burned. Christ and the others
used it as a demonstration of destruction, not
torture! Sinners were NOT tortured there;
they had already been put to death for their
crime, and then their dead bodies were
burned in the dump, because it was thought
they had lost any right to be buried in a regular
grave. It was all over in a few minutes
and certainly cannot be compared to being
burned alive in a conscious State forever.
Advocates of a tortured existence in a
burning hell often use the Sermon on the
Mount to "prove" their theology (Matt. 5).
Christ does warn of the "danger of hell fire"
and of being cast "into hell" in vss. 22, 29
and 30. In each case it is the word "gehenna."
Reading the context it is easy to see He was
telling His listeners not to sin, for if they did,
they would be in danger of being cast into
"gehenna," i.e., being put to death as a sinner!
This is the same exhortation we read
from Peter, "Let none of you suffer as a
murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer,"
and, "For it is better... that ye suffer
for well doing, than for evil doing" (1 Pet.
4: 15; 3:17). In very simple words, Christians
are not to sin and end up as criminals.

HADES

The Greek word "hades" is translated
"hell" 10 times in the New Scriptures. In Acts
2, Peter quotes Old Scripture of Christ that
God would not leave His "soul in hell
[hades]," and therefore, "his soul was not left
in hell [hades]" (vss. 27,31). Any good concordance
will show you "hades" means "grave"!
The entire story of Christ overcoming
death tells us He died and was put in the
grave, but did not remain there, but was resurrected.
Yet priests and ministers would
have us believe that "hades" is a place filled
with billions of "souls" in horrible torment,
which will go on for eternity. Some even tell
of Christ going to this place of hellish sights
and sounds and releasing the prisoners there
and taking some to heaven with Him, and all
sorts of weird imagined things which
have no basis in Scripture whatever!
In Rev. 20:13 we read of the day of resurrection,
"and the sea gave up the dead
which were in it [still there—not gone
somewhere else] and death and hell
[hades] delivered up the dead which were
in them." The margin in most Bibles has a
note for "hell" there, saying, "or, the grave."
The truth is in the Bible—why won’t people
see it?

MOLECH

God's own Law prohibits the torture of
men in fire. Israel was ordered not to do so in
Lev. 18:21 and 20:1-5, and God says that
such a thing never "came... into my mind"
(Jer. 19:5). In Jer. 32:35 He says burning
their sons and daughters in "the fire of
Molech" was an "abomination" and caused
Judah "to sin." Yet preachers tell us that God
will do that which He prohibits, and calls an
"abomination"!
These scriptures and many other verses
give the lie to the hell of the dark ages, which
is taught by so many priests and ministers
today. Hell is not a place of eternal torture
where the damned scream in pain for eternity;
it is a place of silence, of rest, a place,
where its occupants know nothing; a place
where righteous Job said he would remain
until his Redeemer "shall stand at the latter
day upon the earth" (Job. 19:25-27)

DEATH

When we understand the Scripture penalty
for sin is simply "death" (Gen. 2: 17, Ezek.
18:4, Romans 6:23 and others), we realize
there is no foundation for this idea that the
penalty is "everlasting torture." Christ paid
the full penalty for sin, that we might not suffer—
what?—everlasting (or, permanent)
death, not everlasting torture! "And sin
when it is finished, bringeth forth death”
(James l:15). Christ "died for our sins" (1
Cor. 15:3). If the penalty was everlasting torture,
would it not follow that Jesus would
have had to suffer everlasting torture to pay
for our sins? But of course, it isn't, and He
didn't. He paid the Scriptural penalty—
death—for "He is the propitiation for our
sins" (1 John 2:2).
So we die once and then we are raised to
everlasting life in the resurrection. Christ's
death and resurrection set the pattern for all.
And our resurrection is not a spirit resurrection
at our death, but is a literal resurrection
"at his coming" (I Cor. 15:23).
The "everlasting punishment" of Matt.
25:46 and the "everlasting destruction" of
2 Thess. 1:9 are very simply death, for God's
Law is "everlasting" (Gen. 9: 16; Hab. 3:6,
et al). Notice in Matt. 25:41 it is the fire,
which is everlasting, not, necessarily, the person's
term of punishment in it.
 

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The Bible doesn't state that people will burn for eternity.That is what we call "false doctrine".

Hell is a word derived like you said from the Hebrew word "Sheol" which refers to the grave.Nothing more than that.

The concept of hell as seen today was created as a scare tactic to drive up membership by the Protestants and was never a concept in the first 1000 years after the death on the cross.Most likely it came about around the same time as the book "Dantes Inferno".
 
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Hell is the final destination of satan and the demons. Also, all people who are not saved will be there.

Rev 19:20
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Revelations 20
13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Matthew 5
30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Matthew 13
41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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"Christian"1488 is "there is no hell" (despite Jesus Himself saying there is e.g. Matthew 5:22, matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5) yet another false teaching of Christian Identity?

The Gnostic of course Gnosticism doesn't believe in Hell. It rejects so much Christian teaching it really is not a christian religion. That is why Gnostics are supposed to post in UNORTHODOX theology.
 
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The concept of hell as seen today was created as a scare tactic to drive up membership by the Protestants and was never a concept in the first 1000 years after the death on the cross. Most likely it came about around the same time as the book "Dantes Inferno".

Hey Gnostic, the Early Church Fathers seem to disagree. There's nothing new here from the Protestants. Here are a few of their comments from the 2nd century.

Ignatius of Antioch



Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death, how much more if a man corrupt by evil reaching the faith of God for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire, and so will anyone who listens to him (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1-2 [A.D. 110]).
Second Clement

If we do the will of Christ, we shall obtain rest; but if not, if we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment (Second Clement 5:5 [A.D. 150]).

Justin Martyr

No more is it possible for the evildoer, the avaricious, and the treacherous to hide from God than it is for the virtuous. Every man will receive the eternal punishment or reward which his actions deserve. Indeed, if all men recognized this, no one would choose evil even for a short time, knowing that he would incur the eternal sentence of fire. On the contrary, he would take every means to control himself and to adorn himself in virtue, so that he might obtain the good gifts of God and escape the punishments (First Apology 12 [A.D. 151]).

[Jesus] shall come from the heavens in glory with his angelic host, when he shall raise the bodies of all the men who ever lived. Then he will clothe the worthy in immortality; but the wicked, clothed in eternal sensibility, he will commit to the eternal fire, along with the evil demons (ibid. 52).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp

Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour. To them, the fire of their cruel torturers was cold. They kept before their eyes their escape from the eternal and unquenchable fire (Martyrdom of Polycarp 2:3 [A.D. 155]).

Athenagoras

We [Christians] are persuaded that when we are removed from this present life we shall live another life, better than the present one. . . . Then we shall abide near God and with God, changeless and free from suffering in the soul . . . or if we fall with the rest [of mankind], a worse one and in fire; for God has not made us as sheep or beasts of burden, a mere incidental work, that we should perish and be annihilated (Plea for the Christians 31 [A.D. 177]).

Theophilus of Antioch

Give studious attention to the prophetic writings [the Bible] and they will lead you on a clearer path to escape the eternal punishments and to obtain the eternal good things of God.... [God] will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortally by the patient exercise of good works, he will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things. . . , For the unbelievers and for the contemptuous and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries, and fornications, and homosexualities, and avarice, and in lawless idolatries, there will be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish; and in the end, such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire (To Autolycus 1:14 [A.D. 181]).

Irenaeus

The penalty increases for those who do not believe the Word of God and despise his coming. . . . It is not merely temporal, but eternal. To whomsoever the Lord shall say, "Depart from me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire," they will be damned forever (Against Heresies 4:28:2 [A.D. 189]).
 
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Where does it state in the Bible sinners will be tortured for ever and ever?

How about:
The devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. [Rev 20:10] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. [Rev 20:15]
 
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What is hell?
Hell in Christian theology is essentially the separation and exclusion from God's presence and love. Most other definitions are a stretch and not there in Scripture.

Where does it state in the Bible sinners will be tortured for ever and ever?
I am not sure the word "tortured" is used to describe Hell in the Bible. However there are passages that tell of such. For instance in Matthew 25:46 Jesus himself speaks of an eternal punishment. Most say this does not mean hell is everlasting but there is no justification to exclude punishment as everlasting because the same word is used to describe life as everlasting, unless we really want to maintain life is not everlasting...

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power

Jude 7 - Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Revelations 20:10 - And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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Where does it state in the Bible sinners will be tortured for ever and ever?

How about:
The devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. [Rev 20:10] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. [Rev 20:15]

Very convenient of you to skip Rev 20:11-14 ^_^

Rev 20:11-14
11 And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.

The lake of fire is the second death. What must one do to inherit eternal life then?

On a side note, I find it interesting that people asked Yeshua what they must do to inherit eternal life, not what they must do to avoid burning without end in the afterlife. Just saying.
 
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Very convenient of you to skip Rev 20:11-14 ^_^

Rev 20:11-14
11 And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.

I don't understand your meaning. What do you believe these verses (v11-14) teach us concerning the lake of fire and those who will eventually be cast into it? What do you believe they say that is different from verses 10 & 15?

--David
 
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I don't understand your meaning. What do you believe these verses (v11-14) teach us concerning the lake of fire and those who will eventually be cast into it? What do you believe they say that is different from verses 10 & 15?

--David

Where does it say the dead, great and small, will be tormented forever and ever?
 
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Where does it say the dead, great and small, will be tormented forever and ever?

The dead, great and small, will be judged, and "those whose names were not written in the Book of Life" will end up in the Lake of Fire where "they (along with the devil, the beast and the false prophet) will be tormented day and night forever and ever".


How do you read v10-15?

10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10-15
 
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An unquenchable fire just means that nobody can extinguish the fire until it does it's job. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, it was unquenchable fire, with eternal results. The fire was also consuming, and there was wailing and gnashing of teeth by sinners I surmise.
Eternal life was not promised to sinners, you would need this to be eternally punished and tormented. If I burn a piece of wood it is eternally burned.
I am not sure how heavenly the new Earth would be, with the reminder of loved ones being tormented forever in some fire lake that it seems was visible. It says there were no tears. I guess we just learn to ignore the eternal torment, we no longer need to care for smoky sinners.
 
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DaLeKo said:
The dead, great and small, will be judged, and "those whose names were not written in the Book of Life" will end up in the Lake of Fire where "they (along with the devil, the beast and the false prophet) will be tormented day and night forever and ever".

You keep reading it from a perspective that supports never-ending torture. If you simply read the verses, it says.

Revelation 20:13-15
13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

All will be judged according to what they have done.

Think of it like this: "If everyone (not just the devil, the false prophet, and the beast) is tormented night and day forever and ever in the lake of fire, what would be the purpose of judging each person according to their works?" Simply put, the punishment would always be the same, regardless of the crime. A good, decent person who didn't accept Christ but loved others would be tormented night and day right alongside the people who have killed others in cold blood and didn't accept Christ.

Far be it from God to do such a thing, to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from God! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
 
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You keep reading it from a perspective that supports never-ending torture. If you simply read the verses, it says.

Revelation 20:13-15
13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

All will be judged according to what they have done.

Think of it like this: "If everyone (not just the devil, the false prophet, and the beast) is tormented night and day forever and ever in the lake of fire, what would be the purpose of judging each person according to their works?" Simply put, the punishment would always be the same, regardless of the crime. A good, decent person who didn't accept Christ but loved others would be tormented night and day right alongside the people who have killed others in cold blood and didn't accept Christ.

Far be it from God to do such a thing, to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from God! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

Do I wish Hell, as the Bible describes it, didn't exist. Yes! At least thinking about it as a human being, I do. The very thought of it is appalling to me.

The problem though, is the Bible itself. It speaks very clearly about the final abode of the devil, the beast, and the reprobate alike, as a place of everlasting torment/punishment. The only way to avoid that conclusion is to come to the Bible with certain presuppositions and try to bend the Scriptures to fit them.

As the Bible says, "if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire", a place where "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever".

As far as the whole "justice" thing is concerned, I'm with you. Hitler and Stalin certainly deserve a fate far worse than your average non-believer does, but I also believe God will make that happen in some manner or another (not unlike He does in Heaven with a system of varying rewards, or the complete lack thereof .. see 1 Cor 3).

Yours and His,
David
 
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Do I wish Hell, as the Bible describes it, didn't exist. Yes! At least thinking about it as a human being, I do. The very thought of it is appalling to me.

The problem though, is the Bible itself. It speaks very clearly about the final abode of the devil, the beast, and the reprobate alike, as a place of everlasting torment/punishment. The only way to avoid that conclusion is to come to the Bible with certain presuppositions and try to bend the Scriptures to fit them.

As the Bible says, "if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire", a place where "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever".

Again, its how you're reading it. You keep adding that the lake of fire is a place where you go to be tortured forever. I pointed out that it doesn't say that. Also, keep in mind that hell and death are thrown into the lake of fire too. The last enemy destroyed is death. The lake of fire is not hell, its where hell is thrown. Or to be more precise, its where the grave is thrown. The lake of fire is not hell itself though. The sooner we drop this presupposition, the better.

If anything, the lake of fire is a place of destruction rather than never ending torment.
 
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