WHAT IS HELL?

Herecy · Sep 27, 2003

harold800 said:
Have I got any examples of it. Yes! I have treated more than ten thousand people who weep and wail and gnash their teeth and burn with unquenchable desire. And, I've been there myself. But I'm out. And I learned how to get out. It is through the law of transformation. Would you like to know more.

that's called rehab.

Rae · Sep 27, 2003

Would you like to know more.
--Not particularly, but thanks for asking.

Havoc · Sep 27, 2003

harold800 said:
Have I got any examples of it. Yes! I have treated more than ten thousand people who weep and wail and gnash their teeth and burn with unquenchable desire. And, I've been there myself. But I'm out. And I learned how to get out. It is through the law of transformation. Would you like to know more.

You've treated more than ten thousand people with just htese set of symptoms? How many hundred years have you been in practice Dr.Methuselah?

Ryoko Ozaki · Sep 27, 2003

I don't get it, what was he trying to prove with that post? It knid of proved the Buddhist teaching which can be proven by common sense anyway. Christians confuse me a lot though.

harold800 · Sep 27, 2003

Sorry kids, I'm getting off this thread. I've never heard from so many confused and disconnected people in my life. And I don't want your trash cluttering up my mail box.

Ryoko Ozaki · Sep 27, 2003

Well I didn't send you anything so I suppose I'm okay. lol However, how exactly were they "confused" and "disconnected"? Just curious to if you meant that you were confusing them or if you think non-christians are confused for some odd reason.

DJ B.K. · Sep 27, 2003

Harold you are starting to make me mad. You making us christians look bad with your hate toward people who don't agree with you(including christians). We are supposed to love one another. IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO JUDGE, THAT IS GOD'S. Stop with your messages of hate mostly disquised as love.

I don't any athiests saying "You don't need him to make you look bad" replys either.

Ryoko Ozaki · Sep 27, 2003

I've felt no hate from him but oh well. I'm sure others have though.

Havoc · Sep 27, 2003

harold800 said:
Sorry kids, I'm getting off this thread. I've never heard from so many confused and disconnected people in my life. And I don't want your trash cluttering up my mail box.

Don't let the door catch you on the butt on yer way out...

Tariki · Sep 28, 2003

harold800 said:
Have I got any examples of it. Yes! I have treated more than ten thousand people who weep and wail and gnash their teeth and burn with unquenchable desire. And, I've been there myself. But I'm out. And I learned how to get out. It is through the law of transformation. Would you like to know more.

Dear Harold.......

During my Christian Fundamentalist days I knew and interacted with many who had once "weeped and wailed" and who had found peace thorugh acceptance of Christ. There was a guy who had been an alcoholic, his wife had left him and he had put his head in a gas oven to "end it all"...........only the intervention of his sons, turning up at the right time, saved his life. I knew this man quite a few years after these events and he always had a quite dignity and composure that I found inspiring. Personally I have no belief that any "guru" or Zen master could have made a better job of it for him, there, then..................

Since then I have known others who have found peace, and read the testimony of many more................from all Faiths and sometimes of none. Terms such as the "blood of Christ" etc etc are words that point at a reality far greater then any we are capable of envisaging............we cannot dictate just how peace will enter any human "soul". The spirit blows where it will, not where we say it shall or according to our own understanding.

Once I accompanied a group of fellow evangelists to a hospital.........to preach the Christian message. We entered a ward that held various people in various states of suffering........tubes inserted in noses, drips into arms........Our speaker for the day began his sermon with the words......."People say they don't believe in hell, but Jesus spoke more about hell than he did about heaven" Well, that was the beginning of the end for me..........

Anyway, I have found my own peace in Pure Land Buddhism.........which has its own "law of transformation".............namu-amida-butsu!!

Ryoko Ozaki · Sep 28, 2003

Yeah, I was Christian before but Buddhism has opened my mind and has made me feel free.

radorth · Sep 28, 2003

You won't mind telling us how you knew you were a Christian other than "I went to church a lot."

Rad

radorth · Sep 28, 2003

Once I accompanied a group of fellow evangelists to a hospital.........to preach the Christian message. We entered a ward that held various people in various states of suffering........tubes inserted in noses, drips into arms........Our speaker for the day began his sermon with the words......."People say they don't believe in hell, but Jesus spoke more about hell than he did about heaven" Well, that was the beginning of the end for me..........

I don't blame you. Of course junking Jesus because you met some nasty Christians doesn't say much for your investigative efforts. Should we stop being patriots because scoundrels wave flags?

If you could say "Jesus went into hospital wards and preached hell to sick folks" I suppose you might have had an excuse for following a guy so enlightened, he died of a stomach condition.

Rad

patrice_kell · Sep 28, 2003

I am sure that there is a Hell but I don't know were or what it consists of, all I know is that I don't want to go there and I am not going to go there. I want to go to heaven so that is what I strive for.

Havoc · Sep 28, 2003

Interesting thing about Hell. The word is derived from the Norse Goddess Hel. Hel is the Dark Mother who shelters the honored dead in comfort and restful peace in Niflheim until it is time for Ragnarok.

And they say Cristianity has no Pagan roots lol

radorth · Sep 28, 2003

Havoc, do you really think people here are so dumb as to believe the NT does not speak of hell, and it was invented by the Norse?

Is that what you are claiming?

Rad

Tariki · Sep 29, 2003

radorth said:
I don't blame you. Of course junking Jesus because you met some nasty Christians doesn't say much for your investigative efforts. Should we stop being patriots because scoundrels wave flags?

If you could say "Jesus went into hospital wards and preached hell to sick folks" I suppose you might have had an excuse for following a guy so enlightened, he died of a stomach condition.

Rad

Rad,

To be frank, I do not see them, or remember them, as "nasty" Christians. I remember many with genuine fondness.........my life has certainly never been the same since I "accepted Christ as my own personal saviour" (as the saying goes)

Just to clarify, it was the beginning of the end for any form of Fundamentalist belief ...................I have met this mentality in many forms since. It rears its head in Buddhism.

I spent many more years learning of the Christian Faith..........still often read the Bible......especially the gospels.......and certainly many of the great Christian mystics such as St John of the Cross and Meister Eckhart................"Dharma brothers" according to some Zen masters who recognise their "own"!

Your reference to the Buddha - and your implications - raises many issues concerning human suffering and how it can be resolved.............these are the issues that concern me, not in some academic sense, but because I have suffered - and do suffer. As we all suffer. Turn on the news and look..........I'm sure you do.

The important thing to me is to try to truly hear the voice of the "other"............not to live purely from our own "centre", from the dictate of our own self/ego...........Abba Matoes, one of the Desert Fathers said: "Those who live together with others ought not to be square, but round, in order to trun toward all". Trying to be "round" is a lifetimes work.

There is a story in the Buddhist tradition where the Buddha enters hell with a lamp. There are many languishing there in total darkness.........by the light of the lamp they begin to exclaim......."Ah! there are others here beside myself!"
To "see" the other, and hear them, is the beginning of wisdom..............(as well - of course - as "the fear of the Lord"!)

Thanks
Derek

Havoc · Sep 29, 2003

radorth said:
Havoc, do you really think people here are so dumb as to believe the NT does not speak of hell, and it was invented by the Norse?

Is that what you are claiming?

Rad

Nooooooo...

What I'm saying is the Christian "Hell" was named after the Norse Goddess of Death, with the addition of the terrors of Demons that grip the historical Christian Psyche. It's just one more example of where the "pure" faith has incorporated Pagan elements.

And there is considerable arguement among Christians as to whether "hell" exists or not. Once you folk actually agree on what the "absolute truth" concerning hell is then the rest of us might be in a better position to discuss it.

MegOnFire05 · Sep 29, 2003

I think that some people just dont want to believe there is a hell bc they know that if there is one, they will go there... wake up and quit being in denial! there is a hell and its litterally what the bible says, not some form of symbolism or whatever.

Annabel Lee · Sep 29, 2003

MegOnFire05 said:
I think that some people just dont want to believe there is a hell bc they know that if there is one, they will go there... wake up and quit being in denial! there is a hell and its litterally what the bible says, not some form of symbolism or whatever.

Hello Meg.

The reason many people (myself included) cannot and will not believe in a literal Hell is because what it does to God.
It turns God into something 'less' than Godlike...something more akin to a demon.
Many choose to believe in a loving God...one that wouldn't create such an evil state as eternal torment.

I cannot and will not believe that God is capable of such an act.

WHAT IS HELL?

Member

Pro-Marriage. All marriage.

Celtic Witch

Lunar Mystery

Active Member

Lunar Mystery

But I'm Le Tired...

Lunar Mystery

Celtic Witch

Tariki

Guest

Lunar Mystery

Contributor

Contributor

Active Member

Celtic Witch

Contributor

Tariki

Guest

Celtic Witch

Member

Beware the Thought Police

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency