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What is happiness? What is joy?

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Christians are supposed to have joy. However, I do not even understand the concept.

Life seems to be about enduring harshness and maintaining grim determination until our sentence on this cursed world is finally finished. There doesn't seem to be anything else.

Is joy a deep daydream or something? An otherworldly gift that defies reason or explanation?

Given only to a few or meant to be open to all?
 
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Happiness is what you feel when you let go.

Anger is the frustrated, unfulfilled desire for control - the desire to be God. It's an act of war. Sadness is the accusation that others have hurt us and it leads to anger. Lust is total identification with the body and greed for physical things, which leaves us bored and frustrated and angry. All of this is exhausting and this is called depression. Relax and let go and there's something healthy right there.
 
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Joy does not mean happiness.

Joy means that you accept that Christ died for your sins and they've all been forgiven. Joy means that you know that you won't have to spend eternity in Hell, but you will get to spend eternity in heaven and on the new earth with God.

Joy means knowing that God is in control of all things, His will will always be done regardless of the circumstances.

Joy means knowing God is fully good, and always has the best in mind for you, no matter what the event.

Joy means knowing that this world of pain and suffering is temporary, and that the real reward will come later. Perfect relationship with God for eternity, and new ressurected bodies are a bonus too ;)
 
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Although I have many things against me: I find joy/happiness in enjoying nature,
watching the sun rise/sunset, sailing, reading a good book, listening to music,
watching children playing/acting silly etc. I love photos of babies, all types of
babies. I enjoy classic cars, Bogart movies, travel/road trips/mini vacations,
Talking to my mom on the phone makes me happy, I find comfort and joy
in various scripture, poetry etc....and the Lord.
 
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Sooth, I am working on making sense of emotional perception. Please take a moment to contribute to my thread. - As well as everyone else.


Joy however, seems to follow all the negative emotions. Joy is like that rainbow present in the storm cloud; it's there in contract of the circumstances.

Joy is... realized when you consider everything that leads to a lack of it... then knowing that there is something other than that gloominess - Joy is a close companion to Hope, always present for those who choose to invest in it.
 
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C.S. Lewis on joy, from his autobiography, Surprised by Joy:

" it is that of an unsatisfied desire which is itself more desirable than any other satisfaction. I call it Joy, which is a technical term and must be sharply distinguished both from Happiness and Pleasure. Joy (in my sense) has indeed one characteristic, and one only, in common with them; the fact that anyone who has experienced it will want it again. Apart from that, and considered only in its quality, it might almost equally well be called a particular kind of unhappiness or grief. But then it is a kind we want. I doubt whether anyone who has tasted it would ever, if both were in his power, exchange it for all the pleasure in the world. But then Joy is never in our power and pleasure often is"

To this I would add that true happiness can be had only when we attain the Object of that desire, Who is God Himself.
 
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Happiness is an emotion, and we all know emotions come and go as often as circumstances. But it is not just about circumstance. There are psychological studies on happiness, and we can be proactively involved in increasing our happiness.

Joy, though, is a deeper, more consistent state of being. The Bible says the joy of the Lord is our strength. Put that together with being a fruit of the Spirit, and a few other verses, we can probably relatively safely assume that this state of being is like a trusting confidence and contentment in God's work in our lives, caring enough to work all things out for the good of those who love him.
 
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Happiness is a transitory, i.e. temporary feeling, based on your circumstances.

Joy is an inner knowledge that no matter what your circumstances, God is with you and you are greatly loved.

No matter how bad my depression, no matter how bad my circumstances, I have the joy of the Lord, and I thank Him for all He's done for me.
 
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Christians are supposed to have joy. However, I do not even understand the concept.

Life seems to be about enduring harshness and maintaining grim determination until our sentence on this cursed world is finally finished. There doesn't seem to be anything else.

Is joy a deep daydream or something? An otherworldly gift that defies reason or explanation?

Given only to a few or meant to be open to all?
Knowing Christ is true joy...
Happiness is based in situations but joy is base in
a personal relationship with God the Father through
Jesus Christ who is God with man.

Surrender your life without conditions to Christ and
ask Him to come into your life and give it meaning and purpose
through a living and dynamic relationship with Him and you
will find the true meaning of life and you will find joy
based on His love instead of situations or flawed human relationships.
 
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Happiness:

Wanting, and working towards, a Mercedes Benz. We achieve it, and it's actually in the driveway. We're happy.


Joy:

We don't get the Mercedes, and question ourselves if it was all that important. We realize and accept that all along, Jesus wanted us to be serving others more and ourselves, less. And that, in the end, there's greater satisfaction for doing so. That's joy.


On life's "built-in misery," there are many factors that have us believing this. For one, there's church and religion suggesting or telling us that we'll only have peace when we die.

But God, according to Scripture, didn't mean it to be that way.

In the beginning, He said on the 6th day that everything He had created was "very good." He provided Adam and Even paradise or, as I interpret it, "heaven on earth." (note: I'm just accepting Genesis and not getting into the common debate about its credibility).

When John the Baptist said "repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand," did he mean only when people die, or when people are still alive on earth? Doesn't "at hand" mean now, if we accept Jesus? Wouldn't it seem like a waste if God created us only to suffer on earth, and gain a heavenly existence only when we die?

All the evidence from Scripture suggest that it's not the case. The biggest proof is that Jesus came and gave - actually, reminded - us that there's a recipe for experiencing heaven, or joy, on earth. And that's to love Him above all else, and to unconditionally love others as ourselves.

When we carry out that calling, we experience joy ("heaven on earth"). How about the rest of the world that "lives in misery?"

Let's recall that Jesus asks us then to spread the good word and "make disciples of all men."

That said, it seems quite clear to me that as believers and followers of Jesus, each one of us needs to experience true joy by living His word everyday, and then to spread that joy by interacting with people. So that the world will begin to see His original plan for us.

Seems reasonable? Please share when you're ready. :)
 
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Christians are supposed to have joy. However, I do not even understand the concept.

Life seems to be about enduring harshness and maintaining grim determination until our sentence on this cursed world is finally finished. There doesn't seem to be anything else.

Is joy a deep daydream or something? An otherworldly gift that defies reason or explanation?

Given only to a few or meant to be open to all?

You wont find any measurable amount of permanent joy in the things of the World such as gathering money asap , buying a new car every 3 years , working your way up the corporate ladder for status , going on two vacations every year, endless one night stands, or the like....because there is a void in all of our Souls meant only for God to fill himself. This is the way he made us. People , as I once did, will try to fill this void with everything possible...but none of these things were made for ultimate purpose and meaning --- only a personal relationship with the Creator, our Creator, was .

So, once you submit your heart to God and his appointed way to be saved from all your many accumulated sins in Christ crucified, you allow God to reside in your very Soul and when that occurs, you begin to actually experience great joy, happiness , contentment thru that .... and everything starts to make sense . Even when going thru adversity , one can still maintain the joy and happiness of walking with the Creator and one day spending an eternity in perfect health with him in an environment filled with blessing, endless joy, special abilities, and the experience of very deep love that is not possible to have on this earth.

If we choose to distance ourselves from God and his love now, then it cannot be available to us later. It is now that we must decide what we are going to do with God and his free undeserved gift of salvation which opens the door to him working definitively in our life . Yes there will still be hardships...but you will have God in your Soul to help overcome them. There is nothing greater and more fulfilling that to really actually know and love the Creator of us who made us like no other on Earth. Read Psalm 139 to get an idea of just how special you are to God.

The choice is ours isn't it ? It all starts by getting saved as in Romans 10:8-12 but it requires surrender, putting aside pride, dismissing rebellion in how we live, and truly desiring the Creator . Its all free for the taking..what can be better than that ?!)
 
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It is very sad. I used to believe the same as a lot of the posters here; joy is somehow disconnected from emotion. Now I seek and relish joy in all the graces God has so richly given. When I worship well, I know the feeling of joy; tear-inducing, overwhelming happiness. I find it sad to hear Christians speak of being saved from the wrath of God and yet show no real joy. I don't get it. It saddens me.

If joy is connected to emotion, it would require a lot of energy to sustain it all the time. But Christians are called to joy, which co-exists with peace, which does not take up so much "happy" energy. And if joy were attached to emotion, it would cancel out non-joyous emotions like grief, sadness, anger, etc. But believers can have an underlying sense of joy and peace in spite of concurrent emotions like sadness and anger.
 
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Christians are supposed to have joy. However, I do not even understand the concept.

Life seems to be about enduring harshness and maintaining grim determination until our sentence on this cursed world is finally finished. There doesn't seem to be anything else.

Is joy a deep daydream or something? An otherworldly gift that defies reason or explanation?

Given only to a few or meant to be open to all?

Though joy can be difficult for some to realize. there's a difference between happiness and joy.

Happiness depends on circumstances (or happenings) to bring some feeling of pleasure. This obviously is subjective and never lasts, this is why the western world is driven by materialism.

However, joy is a permanent state of peace brought on by the RECOGNITION of Gods grace. This is why in the MIDST of hard times, in the midst of death even we are able to have JOY. Because we as believers can still recognize GODS GRACE. And the eternal hope we have in Christ Jesus. Halleluyah!
 
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Joy is being able to be CONTENT no matter what. It's about finding the positive in any circumstance.
I have found real joy in Jesus. I have harsh conditions sometimes. But I'm able to find "the silver lining". I wake up every morning with a purpose (I used to wake up groaning and moaning about how today is going to suck - I can't remember the last time that has happened for me). I try to enjoy everything I do. That is not something that comes from me, but from the Holy Spirit. Joy is eternal, happiness is temperal.
 
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If joy is connected to emotion, it would require a lot of energy to sustain it all the time.

Thus we are commanded to rejoice. Often.

And if joy were attached to emotion, it would cancel out non-joyous emotions like grief, sadness, anger, etc. But believers can have an underlying sense of joy and peace in spite of concurrent emotions like sadness and anger.
I guess I have no problem with disagreeing with your first statement while agreeing with your second. I cannot begin to imagine emotionless joy.
 
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What does joy mean to you, bereaved?

Joy is some mythical thing to me. I'm not able to tolerate an unsolved problem...and there are many of those.

If I'm being honest with myself then I don't even WANT to be joyful in the midst of evil's temporary victories (sometimes evil even scores eternal victories). It just seems painfully inappropriate...
 
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Joy is some mythical thing to me. I'm not able to tolerate an unsolved problem...and there are many of those.

If I'm being honest with myself then I don't even WANT to be joyful in the midst of evil's temporary victories (sometimes evil even scores eternal victories). It just seems painfully inappropriate...

My friend. please reread my post on page two. Joy is a blessed thing to have, because of the fact that we can have it in the MIDST of bad things. Doesn't mean we're happy about it, but that our joy fills us with the HOPE we have in Christ Jesus. Again, reread my post.
 
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Joy is being able to be CONTENT no matter what. It's about finding the positive in any circumstance.
I have found real joy in Jesus. I have harsh conditions sometimes. But I'm able to find "the silver lining". I wake up every morning with a purpose (I used to wake up groaning and moaning about how today is going to suck - I can't remember the last time that has happened for me). I try to enjoy everything I do. That is not something that comes from me, but from the Holy Spirit. Joy is eternal, happiness is temperal.

I can't imagine waking up in the morning and not feeling like a failure and a disgrace.
 
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Joy is fellowship with Jesus Christ. I experience joy when I am in the word and praying to Him. I experience joy when I remember that the uneasy feeling I always have that I should be doing something else goes away when I study the bible and pray to Him.

I have joy that I have been a disgrace and a failure to many for most of my life, and even during that time Jesus still died for me. That has to mean I count for something.
 
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