What is Energy?

[Fr0st2k]

First off, the reason for my post: I dont know too much about blackholes, gravity, energy, or physics in general, ive had physics 1,2 and Electricty and magnetism in college, and it was all just boring stuff. So i saw some documentary on PBS or something, and it was talking about the mystery of the bonds between atoms and such. Then i started thinking about Gravity, about atoms, about energy, and what makes them do what they do.

So anyway, i came up with some ideas, and i thought it would be interesting to have people critique, and add their own thoughts to them. So without further ado. Be weary, this idea is just for fun, and for discussion purposes, have fun making up your idea/ if there is legitimate facts that i just dont know, let me know too

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Energy - so everything is created from energy, thats my conclusion, whether its right or wrong.[this is where you come in to educate me ]
That being so, i thought that maybe there are more then 1 kind of energy. I know people have coined the term dark energy, and im steering away from that.

The energy i came up with involve the creation of protons and nuetrons. Protons are created from positive energy, and nuetrons are created by negative energy. There is also an invisible energy that exists. This energy is created from the bond of the positive and negative, creating a sort of flux energy

So there are 3 kinds of energy. Positive, Negative, and Flux

When energy is condensed enough it becomes either a proton or nuetron depending on where it was postive or negative.

Like we all know...these things attract, and thus, the atom nucleus is created.

The reason i made up positive and negative energy was to describe WHY exactly the nuetron and protron attract to each other...They should just freely float around...and where do they come from? these are the sort of questions i asked myself. and so i made up a simple answer.

Then i thought about gravity and applied this idea a bit further.Thats where the flux idea comes from. Since everything has a gravitational pull, that means that everything needs to have energy flux and everything must be made up protons and nuetrons. And they are.

So what is gravity? Gravity is the byproduct of the flux between proton and nuetron. Now i know Einstien's theory of relativity and the 4th dimension are one explanation of gravity, but when i read about this, it just didnt seem to fit. So i felt compelled to come up with a better way.

We know that a tremendous amount of power is stored within atoms, When writing this i was first thinking of Energy Flux as being something coming outward, and pulling down. But now as i think of it, the Energy Flux is a Vacumm for each Nucleus. When more then one proton/nuetron come together, the resulting mix of the two energies created a temporal vortex, that sucks in Flux energy. Because EVERYTHING has flux energy flowing inside of it, because all matter is created by protons and nuetrons, everything is being sucked in by the larger masses(aka planets)

Then i thought about how planets where made. Well, i immediately began to think about Black holes. Black holes are fun, because they're so hard to study. So they suck things into them, and can even bend light, they condense and condense, and occasionally spit things back out. They get SUPER hot, and can light up rapidly. They are also thought to be old stars. Well i got to thinking....

What if blackholes are just a rechargable battery pack for Stars? Like a lightbulb, a sun can obviously only throw out so much energy until it looses what it needs to remain a sun(and its deffinetely throwing out ALOT of energy) Then it becomes a supernova, like God is unscrewing the lightbulb. Then it turns into a blackhole, and begins to suck in more energy. In this case, it would be sucking in Flux Energy. Its recharging. Now i doubt that anyone has ever seen a Black hole turn into a sun, but i dont see why it couldnt.

This still didnt answer the question to how planets are formed and what gives them a stronger pull. There have to be some superstrong forces at work down there. The same as in the Black hole, IMO, i beleive that the creation of stars and the creation of planets work in almost the same way. I made up ideas for new atoms to add to the Periodic table. We have #5000 planetarium and #1000000000 Sunium, yes i made these numbers super high, to show how gigantic i think the atom is. The larger the atom size then, the larger its gravitational pull, and the larger the Flux Energy.

So anyway, as i just realized i forgot to mention, Flux energy, does not only pull matter, it also pulls other invisible energys....maybe there is a fourth energy, the spacial energy. i dont know =\ But anyway, the energy flux of these 2 atoms begins to pull matter towards it, and like a thick mold, matter forms around it.

Anyway, im running out of ideas, so please DISCUSS, thats why i wrote all this.

Also, keep in mind i only thought about this for a little while before i went to sleep for about 2 nights...so of course the ideas are not proven or even very plausible...and i just really wanted to write it down somewhere...and get some feedback on it

 

[Locrian]

Energy is a scalar quantity that defines the state of a system. It is an entirely man-made construct used to mathematically derive the future changes (or past, or present) that occur in a system.

Saying something is "made" out of energy is a rather troubling statement, though that certainly hasn't stopped many scientists from saying it. It is debatable whether that has any meaning at all.

 

[Grey Eminence]

My mind staggers at the errors present.

 

[craigba]

Speaking from textbooks. There are 2 types of energy:
1)kinetic energy which is energy associated with motion
2)potential energy which is energy associated with the poisiton or configuration of an object


Examples of each are

1) movement, fans spinning, cars moving

2) objects falling (apple from a tree), a slinky that is strecthed has potential energy, chemicals in food that nourish us.

Hope that helps,

Craig "Sciguy"

 

[Alarum]

Speaking from textbooks. There are 2 types of energy:
1)kinetic energy which is energy associated with motion
2)potential energy which is energy associated with the poisiton or configuration of an object

Craig "Sciguy"

Ooookay. The next time I melt some ice I'll note that there's no energy involved in this process.

Energy can be thought of as the net amount of heat it would generate or have if it was in its highest entropy state. Entropy + Exergy, broadly speaking.

Frost - everything is not made up of protons and neutrons. There's these beasties called Quarks that come in six flavors and...

Geez, you're basically repeating the errors of the greeks - theorizing with no experimental basis. You get cool ideas. Too bad they're completely wrong.

 

[craigba]

Clearing up this concept a bit.


Ice is considered a chemical H2O (subscript 2). Chemicials can hold energy and release energy, potential energy to kinetic energy. As ice shifts it's state to water it aborbs energy (heat can be cosidered a kinetic energy of bombarding particles)

Energy is a state function, meaning the energy entering a system or leaving a system is irrevevant to the path taken. For example, when ice melts to water it gains a certain amount of energy. The ice now has "x" energy. Technically how the ice gained that energy is irrelevant only the fact that now it has "x" energy.

Energy, like matter, is never "made" only transfered into or out of a system. If transfered into a system the system now either has gained kinetic energy or potential energy. If the energy leaves the system, the surroundings gain either potential or kinetic energy.

Only two kinds of energy: energy associated with the motion of an object(some examples, heat/friction, movement) and energy associated with position or configuration of an object (some examples, fruit 10 feet high on a tree, the gas in a car waiting to be burned, breakfast cereal with high energy bonds the body digestes for energy....)

Protons has a positive charge
Neutrons have a neutral charge
Electrons (orbiting the protons and neutrons) have a negative charge.

As far as quarks I don't know.

Flux as far as I know is a magnetic property. Something about a conducting material passing through a magnetic field will become charged depending on the rate it moves through the magnetic field (flux).

Gravity is the result of a force exerted by Earch on an object near the surface of the Earth (or out in space) directed toward the center of the Earth. The magnitude of this gravity depends on the mass of the Earth, the mass of the object and the distance between them.

 

[Locrian]

To continue the clearing up business:

Flux is a mathematical term that in used in many areas of physics, from field lines to atoms. Anytime there is something traveling through a surface of given area the term flux is useful, whether it be electrons, magnetic field lines, energy or electric field lines.

 

[invisible trousers]

To continue the clearing up business:

Flux is a mathematical term that in used in many areas of physics, from field lines to atoms. Anytime there is something traveling through a surface of given area the term flux is useful, whether it be electrons, magnetic field lines, energy or electric field lines.

Do you enjoy evaluating line and surface integrals as much as I do? :O

I'm not going to address any of the points by the original poster, since he stated in the first sentence he doesn't quite know what he's talking about.

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

Frost - everything is not made up of protons and neutrons. There's these beasties called Quarks that come in six flavors and...

I'm not quite sure what you are saying. Everything that matters to the average person is made up of protons on neutrons, which are in turn made up of quarks. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the concept of quarks is still quite theoretical. From the stuff I have read (which granted, is not much, but it's still quite a bit more than the average person), quarks don't make any sense with beta decay. How can two "downer" (-1/3) and one "upper" (+2/3) quarks make a +1 and a -1 charge along w/ (possibly) a neutrino when the neutron splits? If you do know the explenation for this though, please tell me. I would like to know.

Do you enjoy evaluating line and surface integrals as much as I do? :O

Call me a loser all you want, but I personally think that Faraday's law (a derivative with respect to time of an integral with respect to space) is the single coolest thing I have ever learned.

 

[invisible trousers]

Call me a loser all you want, but I personally think that Faraday's law (a derivative with respect to time of an integral with respect to space) is the single coolest thing I have ever learned.

I haven't gotten quite to that; my class is right in the middle of Gauss' law for magnetism. It looks like we're trudging through all of Maxwell's equations, having learned Gauss' law for electricity a few weeks ago. It's kind of strange reading things like 'These 4 Maxwell equations are the fundamentals of electromagnetism, much like Newton's laws of motion are fundamentals of motion except they're right all the time' during high school and stuff, then actually learning it and understanding it now.

I also like how the speed of light was derived from Maxwell's modified version of Ampere's law, which basically foreshadowed special relativity by a good 40 years.

 

[Locrian]

Yes! There's a reason that the Lorentz Transformation Equations are on the first page of Einstein's paper on special relativity!

 

[Iron Sun 254]

I'm not quite sure what you are saying. Everything that matters to the average person is made up of protons on neutrons, which are in turn made up of quarks. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the concept of quarks is still quite theoretical. From the stuff I have read (which granted, is not much, but it's still quite a bit more than the average person), quarks don't make any sense with beta decay. How can two "downer" (-1/3) and one "upper" (+2/3) quarks make a +1 and a -1 charge along w/ (possibly) a neutrino when the neutron splits? If you do know the explenation for this though, please tell me. I would like to know.

Quarks never exist by themselves, only in groups of 2 or 3. A neutron is made up of 2 down quarks and 1 up quark which adds up to 0 and a proton is made of 2 up and one down which adds up to +1. In beta decay one of the down quarks decays into an up quark. It started out with a charge of -1/3 and ends up as something with a chage of -1 and one with a charge of +2/3 so the total charge hasn't changed.

 

[WhirlwindMonk]

Quarks never exist by themselves, only in groups of 2 or 3. A neutron is made up of 2 down quarks and 1 up quark which adds up to 0 and a proton is made of 2 up and one down which adds up to +1. In beta decay one of the down quarks decays into an up quark. It started out with a charge of -1/3 and ends up as something with a chage of -1 and one with a charge of +2/3 so the total charge hasn't changed.

Oh! Now I get it. That's cool! Thanks!