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What is Dispensationalism?

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A recent attempt to insult Dispensational views (Dispy dipsticks) has led me to see a need to clarify dispensational views. As with any brand of doctrine there will be variety and some of these will also be described.

Essentially dispensationalism sees a future role for a restored remnant of Israel. This view also often includes a rapture (yes,the word is from the Latin bible as it is the Latin for the Greek harpazo (to catch up)). Dispensationalism also often includes an expectation of a seven year tribulation before the earthly establishment of a Kingdom in Israel from which a returned Jesus will reign over the earth for 1,000 years.

The concept of dispensation comes from;

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

The word translated dispensation is oikonomia (from we get the English word “economy”). It is derived from a compound of two Greek words for “house” and “law”. The word was used for the steward of a house that would dispense task assignments for the house slaves as well as tools and other resources. This can build a better picture of one who “dispenses”.

Some have attempted to define multiple dispensations throughout history, however, this is not biblically supported. One might see in Moses giving the law to the nation of Israel as a sort of “dispensing”, however, the bible does not call it so and I think prudence should restrict our doing so.

Some dispensationalists see a change that institutes what we call the “church age” starting in Acts chapter 2, others see it starting in mid Acts, and still others see the church starting at Acts 28. The transition from the nation of Israel to the mostly gentile church is key to understanding dispensationalism. Those who see no transition but a seamless continuity are often hostile to a dispensational view.

Often a charge is made of dispensational Christians repudiating the words of Jesus. This exaggeration is often made by the self-righteous thinking they are contending against heresy. Once an emotional state is reached, there is seldom a basis for inquiry to rationally resolve what is true. Consider the words of Jesus;

Mat 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Should every Christian go to the priest? Should Christians cured of leprosy go to the Priest?

It should be obvious that Jesus was instructing a person about what he should do under the law.

To correctly understand the bible one has to take in consideration who was saying what to whom and when. Perhaps one of the most cherished doctrines in Christianity is the Great Commission. However, Jesus gave this instruction to his disciples to fulfill the original purpose for the nation of Israel;

Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The New Testament (covenant) was for the nation of Israel when they would be “born again” by God to serve their original purpose.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Everything that Jesus did and said was consistent with the prophecies to the nation of Israel. He did not wink at his disciples and tell them, “You guys are going to blow it, so here is the real plan”. When Paul was called to be an apostle to the gentiles, there was still the opportunity for Israel to receive her king.

Gentiles were always to be saved. The original plan was for Israel to be a nation of priests bringing the knowledge of God to the whole world. through the kingdom. This will still be accomplished when a nation is born in a day at the end of the tribulation. One might see with Cornelius as an example of a gentile saved under the kingdom gospel.

That there were two gospels (one for the nation of Israel and the other for individual gentiles) can be seen in Galatians;

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

A mid acts view of dispensationalism seems more likely as there seems to be an overlap period where both gospels are operating. Both gospels are based on faith (trust). The kingdom gospel is an appeal to the Jews to trust in Jesus as Messiah. The grace gospel (that Paul “dispensed”) requires trust in Jesus’s death burial, and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins.

Kingdom

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Grace

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I am not posting this to solicit argument. Those who are hostile to it have many other opportunities to flaunt their invective. I simply thought it might be helpful for those seeking to understand some of the basis those who are dispensational have for their beliefs.
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A recent attempt to insult Dispensational views (Dispy dipsticks) has led me to see a need to clarify dispensational views. As with any brand of doctrine there will be variety and some of these will also be described.

Essentially dispensationalism sees a future role for a restored remnant of Israel. This view also often includes a rapture (yes,the word is from the Latin bible as it is the Latin for the Greek harpazo (to catch up)). Dispensationalism also often includes an expectation of a seven year tribulation before the earthly establishment of a Kingdom in Israel from which a returned Jesus will reign over the earth for 1,000 years.

The concept of dispensation comes from;

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

The word translated dispensation is oikonomia (from we get the English word “economy”). It is derived from a compound of two Greek words for “house” and “law”. The word was used for the steward of a house that would dispense task assignments for the house slaves as well as tools and other resources. This can build a better picture of one who “dispenses”.

Some have attempted to define multiple dispensations throughout history, however, this is not biblically supported. One might see in Moses giving the law to the nation of Israel as a sort of “dispensing”, however, the bible does not call it so and I think prudence should restrict our doing so.

Some dispensationalists see a change that institutes what we call the “church age” starting in Acts chapter 2, others see it starting in mid Acts, and still others see the church starting at Acts 28. The transition from the nation of Israel to the mostly gentile church is key to understanding dispensationalism. Those who see no transition but a seamless continuity are often hostile to a dispensational view.

Often a charge is made of dispensational Christians repudiating the words of Jesus. This exaggeration is often made by the self-righteous thinking they are contending against heresy. Once an emotional state is reached, there is seldom a basis for inquiry to rationally resolve what is true. Consider the words of Jesus;

Mat 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Should every Christian go to the priest? Should Christians cured of leprosy go to the Priest?

It should be obvious that Jesus was instructing a person about what he should do under the law.

To correctly understand the bible one has to take in consideration who was saying what to whom and when. Perhaps one of the most cherished doctrines in Christianity is the Great Commission. However, Jesus gave this instruction to his disciples to fulfill the original purpose for the nation of Israel;

Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The New Testament (covenant) was for the nation of Israel when they would be “born again” by God to serve their original purpose.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Everything that Jesus did and said was consistent with the prophecies to the nation of Israel. He did not wink at his disciples and tell them, “You guys are going to blow it, so here is the real plan”. When Paul was called to be an apostle to the gentiles, there was still the opportunity for Israel to receive her king.

Gentiles were always to be saved. The original plan was for Israel to be a nation of priests bringing the knowledge of God to the whole world. through the kingdom. This will still be accomplished when a nation is born in a day at the end of the tribulation. One might see with Cornelius as an example of a gentile saved under the kingdom gospel.

That there were two gospels (one for the nation of Israel and the other for individual gentiles) can be seen in Galatians;

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

A mid acts view of dispensationalism seems more likely as there seems to be an overlap period where both gospels are operating. Both gospels are based on faith (trust). The kingdom gospel is an appeal to the Jews to trust in Jesus as Messiah. The grace gospel (that Paul “dispensed”) requires trust in Jesus’s death burial, and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins.

Kingdom

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Grace

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I am not posting this to solicit argument. Those who are hostile to it have many other opportunities to flaunt their invective. I simply thought it might be helpful for those seeking to understand some of the basis those who are dispensational have for their beliefs.
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You have did good job and I have defended dispensation for many years and learned from a So Baptist when it began

# 1 And I learned where WATER BAPTISM began and where it STOP and is the BIGEST divider in the Body of Christ .

# 2 Also where the BODY of Christ began ??

# 3 Why tongues stopped ?? Just a few !!!

# 4 Why the OLD TESTAMENT STOP ?

# 5 Or where NEW TESTAMENT begins !!

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Was the modern state of Israel created by The Satanic Rothschilds and The British Empire or God ?​


 
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It’s helpful to see the differences between the kingdom gospel and the grace gospel laid out like this, especially for those of us still trying to fully grasp the nuances of these views. The reminder to consider who is being addressed and when is also a solid point for understanding Scripture better.
 
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It’s helpful to see the differences between the kingdom gospel and the grace gospel laid out like this, especially for those of us still trying to fully grasp the nuances of these views. The reminder to consider who is being addressed and when is also a solid point for understanding Scripture better.
And here are the dispensations that many are preaching today !!

# 1 Is called CALISSIC DEPENSATIONLISM , called Acts 2

# 2 Mid Acts , called Acts 9:3-6 where Saul was saved

# 3 Acts 11

# 4 HYPER- DISPENSATION , Acts 28

OIKONOMIA then mean ? OIKONOMIA then mean ?? OIKO means House ----NOMOS means LAW !!

So what are the House , Laws ??

# 5 IT is a MYSTERY that Paul taught in Rom 16:25 and 26 says he says is My Gospel for the Obedience of Faith

# 6 Who are we to follow ? 1 Cor 11:1 says that WE are to be IMITATORS of Paul just as he follows Christ

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Alot of people misunderstand what most mainstream dispensation theology teaches. As with any type of doctrinal teaching, there are always some far right or far left thinking. that really goes out there (like that Israel will return to being saved by law or that they were saved by the law before Christ) in other words. that in each separate dispensation there is a different way to get to heaven.

Dispensational thinking, as I have always understood it (over 40 years now) is just a tool used by many historians to separates ages, or separate different time periods. If we would look at the doctrine itself. it is different ages, as pointed out in bullet points. and within each bullet point would be smaller bullet points speaking of things which are pertinent to that particular time period.

examples would be before the fall. we have the age of
A. innocence.
1. Mankind walked with God with no sin
2. Mankind had no separation from God
3. Mankind had reign of the earth, was to subdue the animals. populate the earth do not eat of this tree. Care for the garden etc etc.

there are more things but that in a nutshell is what it is. an attempt to divide historical time periods to make them easier to understand.

I think the reason many hate it is not so much for what it ends with, they disagree on the final portion of the time separation when it comes to the nation of Israel.

sadly, I wish people would just discuss that, and not just say dispensationalism is evil. because most people that say this show they do not have an understanding of what it is. (or they are fighting the small minority of people who teach it is different ways of being saved in different ages. which is not biblical)

Salvation has been by grace though faith since adam first sinned. it has not changed. Granted, we call the church age an age of grace. But salvation has always been by and will always be by grace
 
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Salvation has been by grace though faith since adam first sinned. it has not changed. Granted, we call the church age an age of grace. But salvation has always been by and will always be by grace

Yes, its always by grace thru faith, that I agree.

But is it always by grace thru faith alone?

Example: If Noah had faith that there would be a flood, but did not put in the work to build an ark (Genesis 6:14), can his faith alone save him?
 
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There are some that try to make a consistency throughout history. However, the bible tells us that there has been differences. For example those of Israel were told that eternal life could be obtained through keeping the law;

Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

However, this eternal life for Israel was to be obtained at their resurrection, they could not be specifically told that they had eternal life now.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This is different for Christians today who gain eternal life as soon as they trust in Jesus by being placed into the body of Christ. While there always was some degree of trust (faith) in what God said, for Israel keeping the law was critical. However, even this could be frustrated. Consider the Pharisees who kept the law, but it did them no good because they thought they had obtained their own righteousness. Jesus said that they already had their reward (social prominence).

There are some dispensationalists who try to show history as (usually seven) periods of "dispensing". The bible only describes the current time as a dispensation of grace and a future point called the dispensation of the fullness of time. Moses, the law giver, might be seen as a sort of "dispenser", but since the bible does not call this a dispensation, I would be reluctant to do so.

Those of Israel who wee offered the kingdom had faith introduced to them that was startlingly different than they were used to. In preparation to receive the kingdom those faithful in Israel would have to trust God completely to be transformed to enter the kingdom.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

For Israel entrance into the kingdom required a transformation that would be based on faith in Jesus as Messiah;

Joh_8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

For Christians today, we trust in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus to pay for our sins;

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
 
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A recent attempt to insult Dispensational views (Dispy dipsticks) has led me to see a need to clarify dispensational views. As with any brand of doctrine there will be variety and some of these will also be described.

Essentially dispensationalism sees a future role for a restored remnant of Israel. This view also often includes a rapture (yes,the word is from the Latin bible as it is the Latin for the Greek harpazo (to catch up)). Dispensationalism also often includes an expectation of a seven year tribulation before the earthly establishment of a Kingdom in Israel from which a returned Jesus will reign over the earth for 1,000 years.

The concept of dispensation comes from;

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

The word translated dispensation is oikonomia (from we get the English word “economy”). It is derived from a compound of two Greek words for “house” and “law”. The word was used for the steward of a house that would dispense task assignments for the house slaves as well as tools and other resources. This can build a better picture of one who “dispenses”.

Some have attempted to define multiple dispensations throughout history, however, this is not biblically supported. One might see in Moses giving the law to the nation of Israel as a sort of “dispensing”, however, the bible does not call it so and I think prudence should restrict our doing so.

Some dispensationalists see a change that institutes what we call the “church age” starting in Acts chapter 2, others see it starting in mid Acts, and still others see the church starting at Acts 28. The transition from the nation of Israel to the mostly gentile church is key to understanding dispensationalism. Those who see no transition but a seamless continuity are often hostile to a dispensational view.

Often a charge is made of dispensational Christians repudiating the words of Jesus. This exaggeration is often made by the self-righteous thinking they are contending against heresy. Once an emotional state is reached, there is seldom a basis for inquiry to rationally resolve what is true. Consider the words of Jesus;

Mat 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Should every Christian go to the priest? Should Christians cured of leprosy go to the Priest?

It should be obvious that Jesus was instructing a person about what he should do under the law.

To correctly understand the bible one has to take in consideration who was saying what to whom and when. Perhaps one of the most cherished doctrines in Christianity is the Great Commission. However, Jesus gave this instruction to his disciples to fulfill the original purpose for the nation of Israel;

Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The New Testament (covenant) was for the nation of Israel when they would be “born again” by God to serve their original purpose.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Everything that Jesus did and said was consistent with the prophecies to the nation of Israel. He did not wink at his disciples and tell them, “You guys are going to blow it, so here is the real plan”. When Paul was called to be an apostle to the gentiles, there was still the opportunity for Israel to receive her king.

Gentiles were always to be saved. The original plan was for Israel to be a nation of priests bringing the knowledge of God to the whole world. through the kingdom. This will still be accomplished when a nation is born in a day at the end of the tribulation. One might see with Cornelius as an example of a gentile saved under the kingdom gospel.

That there were two gospels (one for the nation of Israel and the other for individual gentiles) can be seen in Galatians;

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

A mid acts view of dispensationalism seems more likely as there seems to be an overlap period where both gospels are operating. Both gospels are based on faith (trust). The kingdom gospel is an appeal to the Jews to trust in Jesus as Messiah. The grace gospel (that Paul “dispensed”) requires trust in Jesus’s death burial, and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins.

Kingdom

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Grace

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I am not posting this to solicit argument. Those who are hostile to it have many other opportunities to flaunt their invective. I simply thought it might be helpful for those seeking to understand some of the basis those who are dispensational have for their beliefs.
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Just we see that in Gal 2:7 Paul 's preaching is called a GOSPEL , and Peter's was NOT called a GOSPEL , and the reason

was that the Preaching of Circumcision was already being set aside !!

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Some dispensationalists see a single point where the age of grace began and God withdrew the offer of the kingdom from Israel. Some think it was Acts 2, others think mid acts, and still others think it was Acts 28.

Instead I see an overlap period. where the age of grace began while there was still an offer of the kingdom to the nation of Israel. This overlap may have been to provoke the Jews to jealousy.

Rom_11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Paul assumed he would live to see the return of Christ which would be the end of the age of grace.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

It appears that the kingdom offer to the nation of Israel ended at 70AD with the destruction of the temple. While it may have been theoretically possible for the nation to repent and receive the kingdom, it seemed unlikely as the religious leaders were persecuting those Jews who acknowledged Jesus as Messiah. The letter of Peter and James to the dispersed believing Jews seemed to exhort unto faithfulness awaiting a promised kingdom. The book of Hebrews seems to be a last ditch effort to persuade the nation to receive her Messiah.

We do not know the criteria God was to use with Israel such as if 70% of the nation repented. We do not even know if there was a threshold. We do know that a nation will be born in a day.

Isa_66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Most likely the events of the tribulation will be such that the faithful remnant will 100% welcome Jesus as king.
 
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