What is Considered Losing Your Virginity in Christianity?

[WinBySurrender]

Those definitions are out of context. We're done here. You can go argue with someone else.

Translation: "You've proved me wrong, so I'm taking my marbles and going home."

 

[William II]

Translation: "You've proved me wrong, so I'm taking my marbles and going home."

Lol, no. More like "your stubbornness and unwillingness to listen to any point of view besides your own has discouraged me from engaging in any kind of intellectual discourse with you in the future."

 

[WinBySurrender]

Lol, no. More like "your stubbornness and unwillingness to listen to any point of view besides your own has discouraged me from engaging in any kind of intellectual discourse with you in the future."

What a shame. Look at how much you'll miss out on learning.

 

[dayhiker]

I think oral sex is sex. I don't think oral sex makes a virgin, a non-virgin.

 

[Jonny Doe]

Instead of asking is this right or wrong, a better question to ask is, Am i abiding in Christ when i do this?

 

[EndlessSerenade]

According to my beliefs oral sex shouldn't even be a debatable thing as it shouldn't even be acceptable in any relationship even marriage but I understand that not all denominations follow this or believe in this and that's fine. But in my eyes oral sex is definitely equal to sex but it does not affect your virginity although I do think it can affect your purity in Christ as oral sex is still a very much intimate act altogether and if practiced should be done in marriage.

 

[TheChristianSurvivalGuide]

According to my beliefs oral sex shouldn't even be a debatable thing as it shouldn't even be acceptable in any relationship even marriage but I understand that not all denominations follow this or believe in this and that's fine. But in my eyes oral sex is definitely equal to sex but it does not affect your virginity although I do think it can affect your purity in Christ as oral sex is still a very much intimate act altogether and if practiced should be done in marriage.

Wait up here - you are saying that oral sex should not be allowed between a husband and wife.

Why?

 

[Kristos]

Wait up here - you are saying that oral sex should not be allowed between a husband and wife.

Why?

Yes, that is exactly what she is saying - probably because she was taught to follow God with her whole heart and not try to manipulate the "rules" when it comes to pleasing ourselves.

 

[William II]

What a shame. Look at how much you'll miss out on learning.

Learning to reject facts and progress...such a shame.

 

[dayhiker]

Heb.13:4 says the marriage bed is undefiled.
I take that to mean there is nothing wrong with oral sex or anything else that a couple wants to do. It is interesting that new translations have added a word like let to imply that the marriage bed can be defiles when the KJV says quite clearly that the marriage bed is undefiled.

 

[TheChristianSurvivalGuide]

Yes, that is exactly what she is saying - probably because she was taught to follow God with her whole heart and not try to manipulate the "rules" when it comes to pleasing ourselves.

And what scripture specifically states that oral sex is not permitted between a husband and wife?

 

[Kristos]

And what scripture specifically states that oral sex is not permitted between a husband and wife?

Why would you think that it does? No one has made any such claim.

 

[Jonny Doe]

And what scripture specifically states that oral sex is not permitted between a husband and wife?

It is not a specific part of scripture that says it. It's just a personal conviction. Just like it may be lawful to get a tattoo, or your tongue pierced, a person's conscience may prevent them from doing it. It really has to do with the heart, and not about the letter of the law.

It would be about motives. If you are doing the act for selfish pleasure even though it makes your wife feel uncomfortable, then it's probably not a good idea to do it and respect her. It's a different story if it is consensual.

 

[Kristos]

It is not a specific part of scripture that says it. It's just a personal conviction. Just like it may be lawful to get a tattoo, or your tongue pierced, a person's conscience may prevent them from doing it. It really has to do with the heart, and not about the letter of the law.

It would be about motives. If you are doing the act for selfish pleasure even though it makes your wife feel uncomfortable, then it's probably not a good idea to do it and respect her. It's a different story if it is consensual.

I don't think consensual implies moral or not sinful.

 

[EndlessSerenade]

Just remember that you are from a different denomination and follow different teachings than I do. I follow the Orthodox teachings within the Church which are similar to the Catholic Church teachings on this matter. I have been unclear on this and my apologies. I should have added that oral sex is acceptable within the marital act, used as foreplay, leading up to vaginal intercourse with the husband's climax inside his wife is morally permissable by the Church. Why? Because the marital embrace is both unitive and procreative. But understand this, procreative doesn't mean "resulting in conception" it means "capable of producing." In other words, putting the parts together as designed so that conception "might" occur. The natural intent of sperm is to impregnate a woman, and this is only possible if it ends up in the vagina.The problem with oral sex when performed to completion is exactly that Natural Law is being violated. Sperm obviously doesn't belong anywhere except the vagina. To deliberately deposit sperm in a mouth, stomach, or anus violates the purpose of our bodies. This is how I see it and I support this.

 

[hwyangel]

I have always believed the image of God is male and female :

King James Bible Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Then it was after the the naming of the animals in Genesis chapter 2 that God took woman "out"of of man.

22 And the rib,which the LORD God had taken from man,made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said,This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

This is the image of God that the father, son and holy spirit are one God. Just as male and female are joined in holy matrimony to again is become one flesh.

6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother,and cleave to his wife;

8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain,but one flesh.

I don't believe that "natural use" implies how a man uses his penis, but the relationship which is mind, body, and soul.

 

[WinBySurrender]

Learning to reject facts and progress...such a shame.

More like learning to reject God and is His word. What reward has anyone in heaven who receives the gift of the Holy Spirit from God, and then ignores Him for the rest of His life?

 

[TheChristianSurvivalGuide]

Why would you think that it does? No one has made any such claim.

Well, essentially you did when you said this -

Yes, that is exactly what she is saying - probably because she was taught to follow God with her whole heart and not try to manipulate the "rules" when it comes to pleasing ourselves.

What are "the rules" if not scripture?

 

[TheChristianSurvivalGuide]

Just remember that you are from a different denomination and follow different teachings than I do. I follow the Orthodox teachings within the Church which are similar to the Catholic Church teachings on this matter.

Well that's good that we can respect our differences but I'm not Catholic. And I may be wrong but I think the Catholic Church views oral sex as a form of birth control, and thus, is not allowable. But again, I make no assertion of that because I honestly don't know it for a fact.

I have been unclear on this and my apologies. I should have added that oral sex is acceptable within the marital act, used as foreplay, leading up to vaginal intercourse with the husband's climax inside his wife is morally permissable by the Church. Why? Because the marital embrace is both unitive and procreative. But understand this, procreative doesn't mean "resulting in conception" it means "capable of producing." In other words, putting the parts together as designed so that conception "might" occur.

Do you believe in any form of birth control? Just asking.

The natural intent of sperm is to impregnate a woman, and this is only possible if it ends up in the vagina.The problem with oral sex when performed to completion is exactly that Natural Law is being violated.

I am honestly not aware of any law that requires sperm to be deposited in a vagina at every available option.

Sperm obviously doesn't belong anywhere except the vagina. To deliberately deposit sperm in a mouth, stomach, or anus violates the purpose of our bodies. This is how I see it and I support this.

The bold - I disagree completely that this is obvious nor that sperm "belongs" anywhere.

What is the purpose of our bodies?

 

[Kristos]

Well, essentially you did when you said this -



What are "the rules" if not scripture?

My rule is follow God with your whole heart.

I don't know what your rule is, but you seem intent on manipulating it allow you to do what you want. You seem to think that your rule is scripture and now you want to justify your behavior by proof texting it. This is not following God.