Johnny Be Good
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9-iron said:In an attempt to increase the testosterone on this forum you are banned from using this word again.
Signed,
Arnold, Gubenor of Cow-lee-for-ea
Trish1947 said:When you hear it, there's no mistaking that voice. "My Sheep know My Voice.
Dude, good on you that you have a genuine relationship with the Father. We all need revelation for our lives. Without that personal intimate relationship, then it's just religion - a set of do's and don'ts that we follow.probinson said:Thanks Newsong.
I know what the big words mean. I simply meant, I ain't buying it.
I have a close personal relationship with my Father in heaven. I have for many, many years. It is not my interpretation. It's God's truth. I don't come up with "bizarre" interpretations. Some people think that I'm nuts, but I can give you scripture for every one of my beliefs. Additionally, I have seen the results in my own life. This is what they mean when they say the "proof of the pudding is in the eating".
I do not belong to a "cult". While it's true some say they have received revelation from God and then do something contrary to scripture, this is not what I do. Not even close. Most people that know me would say I am a very level-headed, balanced individual.
Historical teachers have much to offer. I am not refuting that. But when they teach something that goes contrary to God's character, I will take God's word over man's "interpretation" of what it meant any day.
Am I something special? Nope. Not at all. Every believer can have the same relationship with God. It's just a matter of desire, diligently seeking His face, to know Him more.
Johnny, I would rather stick to the subject of the OP (as general as it is) and not enter into doubtful disputations with you over matter we have dealt with before. In this case, it is better to let dead dogs remain dead rather than inflame old animosities. There are just some things you and I will never agree on.Johnny Be Good said:OK--I'm locked and loaded, AS USUAL.
FOR STARTERS, you start your thread, Jim, by stating, "I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not hold out against it--which implies that YOU think that our Trust in God BECAUSE OF what scripture CLEARLY says Faith IS, is not only dead wrong, but unneeded as well--cause no matter what we do, God's gonna build His church. Heck--why even bother with the Great Commission. I guess God was wrong there too.
SECONDLY, BY DEFINITION, you are practicing Gnosticism. What does this mean to you, Jim? "...it is okay to reject objective truth for subjective revelation"? Have you noticed that you reject what scripture says--WHAT IT SAYS--in order to rely instead upon what YOU think God means.
Have you noticed that your entire post speaks nothing but generalities?! Just what is it that you disagree with? We know that you believe in divine healing--and this is the only specific subject dealt with in your slanderous spew of a post. Tewwey--it's neither not nor cold.Nothing but slanderous, misleading personally-held-belief support.
List your issues and we shall deal with the BY WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS and NOT through subjective revelation.
Tewwey!
Slander carries with it the meaning of an intentional agenda and that is pre-judgment on your part, judging motives. And it is the stuff that causes me to ignore your position. Furthermore, I did not see one scripture reference in your entire post (except quoting the one Ioffered in the OP) - in fact, I hardly ever find scripture references in any of your posts. Isn't this calling the kettle black?Have you noticed that your entire post speaks nothing but generalities?! Just what is it that you disagree with? We know that you believe in divine healing--and this is the only specific subject dealt with in your slanderous spew of a post. Tewwey--it's neither not nor cold. Nothing but slanderous, misleading personally-held-belief support.
andry said:The danger is, when a believer claims to have 'special' revelation that no others have and falls outside of orthodoxy - then we have a problem.
andry said:The danger is, when a believer claims to have 'special' revelation that no others have and falls outside of orthodoxy - then we have a problem.
Jim M said:Johnny, I would rather stick to the subject of the OP (as general as it is) and not enter into doubtful disputations with you over matter we have dealt with before. In this case, it is better to let dead dogs remain dead rather than inflame old animosities. There are just some things you and I will never agree on.
However if you want to open your own thread and deal with less-general, more-specific things, I will gladly post there...
probinson said:Cut from Wikiepedia:
Orthodoxy:
The word orthodoxy, from the Greek ortho ('right', 'correct') and dox ('thought', 'teaching'), is typically used to refer to the correct observance of religion, as determined by some overseeing body.
Does someone believing something that is not of the majority opinion of orthodoxy, or the "right teaching as determined by man", necessarily and unequivocally make it wrong?
And the overseeing body in the definition you offered would, of course, be the faith one delivered to THE CHURCH. I agree with the definition.probinson said:Cut from Wikiepedia:
Orthodoxy:
The word orthodoxy, from the Greek ortho ('right', 'correct') and dox ('thought', 'teaching'), is typically used to refer to the correct observance of religion, as determined by some overseeing body.
Does someone believing something that is not of the majority opinion of orthodoxy, or the "right teaching as determined by man", necessarily and unequivocally make it wrong?
SOLDOUT4HIM said:Pure and simple, if God tells you something it will line up with Scripture. One of the only things God does not have the capacity to do is lie. He will not give you "revelation" that is contrary w/ His word. Period.
I had a prof. at comm. coll. who believed in the esoteric gnostic bull dukey. He was a stinking fruit cake. He believed there'd been like three or four christs and that the original Christian Eucharist was a psychotropic mushroom. He admitted to smoking out with witchdoctoresque ppl in South America to have "spiritual experiences." That class was a trip.
You're adding a load of stuff I never said.Johnny Be Good said:OH--you mean like when someone believes something that doesn't jive in any way or form with scripture. Now I understand. Like folks' 'special' interpretation of Faith, for example--you know--the one that allows them to NOT have to step out in complete Trust in God--the one that gives them foot and hand-holds every step of the way? The one that allows them to consider doubt and ponder fear's possibilities as opposed to casting your cares upon Him and thinking on good things.
I understand what Jim means now--like when folks' 'special' interpretation of "Faith" doesn't at all look like the Faith that scripture describes.
Gotcha.
Jim M said:And the overseeing body in the definition you offered would, of course, be the faith one delivered to THE CHURCH. I agree with the definition.
And to answer your last question, Yes. No man lives to himself or dies to himself.
~Jim
When are you going to offer your own scripture, Johnny, and stop with the judgments and insults? You NEVER offer scripture in ANY of your rebuttals, EVER, just an endless stream of accusations and invectives.Johnny Be Good said:[/color][/font][/size]
Your post was designed SPECIFICALLY to slander and malign in generalities so as not to allow specific Truth to emerge--and this is what you are transparently attempting to pursue with it.
Shame on you.
Read my David Koresh post.probinson said:Does someone believing something that is not of the majority opinion of orthodoxy, or the "right teaching as determined by man", necessarily and unequivocally make it wrong?
andry said:Read my David Koresh post.
Dude, I've been responding to your posts and your line of thought.probinson said:But David Koresh's "revelations" could be shown to be clearly unscriptural. That is worlds apart from a preacher saying that they have a revelation of God's provison for us.
Jim M said:When are you going to offer your own scripture, Johnny, and stop with the judgments and insults? You NEVER offer scripture in ANY of your rebuttals, EVER, just an endless stream of accusations and invectives.
I can see this conversation already headed toward the inevitable brick wall.
Buh-bye!
~Jim
Your post was designed SPECIFICALLY to slander and malign in generalities so as not to allow specific Truth to emerge--and this is what you are transparently attempting to pursue with it.
Shame on you.
OH--you mean like when someone believes something that doesn't jive in any way or form with scripture. Now I understand. Like folks' 'special' interpretation of Faith, for example--you know--the one that allows them to NOT have to step out in complete Trust in God--the one that gives them foot and hand-holds every step of the way? The one that allows them to consider doubt and ponder fear's possibilities as opposed to casting your cares upon Him and thinking on good things.
I understand what Jim means now--like when folks' 'special' interpretation of "Faith" doesn't at all look like the Faith that scripture describes.
Gotcha.
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