What is being "Too Pushy"?

[Gold Dragon]

That plan can only be understood in context of dispensations.

Hey bleechers. I agree with almost everything in the above post except for this one word.

 

[Andyman_1970]

What did Abraham live by 400 years before the Law? Adam, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph? There were no 10 Commandments then. It served a purpose in the plan of God.

Abraham, Noah, Issac, Joseph, all were considered righteous before God because of their faith, just as we are today ("by faith you are saved not by works lest any man boast").

I would argue that the Law did not save anyone in the OT, people were saved (specifically Jews) because of their repentant heart, not their adherance to the Law. Many places in the OT God tells His people that He desires obedience and loyalty rather than sacrafices of the Law, and that repentance leads to life (read salvation).

Anyway this is an interesting thread that sums up my views (for the most part): http://www.christianforums.com/t732185

That plan can only be understood in context of dispensations.

I disagree as I'm not a dispensationalist.........from what I can understand.

 

[bleechers]

Abraham, Noah, Issac, Joseph, all were considered righteous before God because of their faith, just as we are today ("by faith you are saved not by works lest any man boast").

I would argue that the Law did not save anyone in the OT,

Agreed. This was not the gist of my posts. Dispensationalists are constantly accused of antinomianism, that is, that we are "lawless". In this case, the context was "which of the 10 Commandments do I choose not to obey?" My argument is that I am not under the 10 Commandments... they were never meant to save.

The point in noting Adam, etc. is that if you want to accuse dispensationalists of dismissing the 10 Commandments, then what does that mean for those who lived before the Law was given?

Salvation has always by grace through faith, but that does not mean that God had dealt with us in the same manner in all times. My argument is that you cannot take some of the Law (the 10 Commandments) and disregard the 603 Commands and then accuse dispensationalists of being lawless.

You cannot break a law that you are not under. I am under the laws of the state of Alabama, not under the laws of Georgia. If I want to be under the laws of Georgia, I do not have the luxury of choosing which laws I want to obey. It's all or nothing.

So in one thread, I've been accused of both not wanting to obey any laws and somehow preaching that the Law saves.

Many places in the OT God tells His people that He desires obedience and loyalty rather than sacrafices of the Law

True, but that does not mean that He did not require the evidence of faith that was seen in the sacrifices. But if WE brought the same sacrifice it would be an evidence of a LACK of faith. The difference? God's economy changes while His method of salvation remains the same.

Hebrews 11
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.


We don't build an altar and offer Abel's sacrifice. It was required of Cain, it is not required of us. In the future, an altar will again be built in Jerusalem that will again witness to faith in Christ. Same salvation, three economies in my examples.

Israel's faith was evident in her keeping of the Feast Days and Sabbath... our faith is questioned if we do the same, etc.


Galatians 4
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

We do not teach different ways of salvation. We teach that God's people functioned in different economies and you will become very confused if you start to mix them up. This is the gist of the Book of Galatians.

God is angry for Israel bringing the weak of their flock to sacrifice. Is He then angry with us for not bringing anything at all? No. Different economy.