What is ANT Monotheism? How is opposed to Oneness misunderstanding?

[Breckmin]

You're not making sense here? What is what is addressed...?.

Monotheistic meanings and how the English derivation of "Person" is
from the Latin word "persona." (through the Anglo-French persone)

Sorry, but I don't buy into this relativistic nonsense. I am correcting this theology in accordance with the Divine Revelation that is Scripture. Every word that I write is not in agreement with it at all otherwise I would not need to keep correcting it by having to more precisely re-define it to make it more Scripturally consistent.

You have been correcting a position which you believe denies things that
it does NOT deny. Now I am discovering that you deny "the eternal co-naturality of three infinites" and call it Tri-Theism.

ANT monotheism claims merely "not to know" this in the atemporal state
of existence (before the beginning - a very imperfect way of referring to
the ridiculous assertion of "eternity past" when there was no past until
there was a beginning). Atemporal equals - transcendent and timeless
existence that is omnipresent throughout infinite time and infinite 3
dimensional spatial existence). (not "outside of time" which is incorrect).

 

[Breckmin]

I think that it would be more correct to say that we don't know because God has not (yet) revealed to us (who knows what more He might reveal to us at some future point?) which is not the same as saying that we can't know in the absolute sense irrespective of whether or not God chooses to reveal more to us at some future point?

We can't know now...is the assertion. I agree with you completely
that God may be saving something for His children at some point in the
future...God has not yet revealed all of the details yet.

 

[Breckmin]

I don't have a problem with Monotheism..

Then you should have no problem with ANT monotheism.

My problem is with anything that tries to make out that God Exists essentially as Mono-Personal rather than Tri-Personal

No where have I said God was Mono-Personal.

and only manifests Himself as Tri-Personal for the sake of His Creation?!

NOT only for the sake of His Creation...this is incorrect wording. The Anathasian Creed did a good
job in wording it by using Eternally Begotten...but both begotten states of the Son and the Holy
Spirit are clearly beheld and perceived by angels and humans as well as God Himself..and these
eternally begotten states have always existed (imperfect in the English) in the infinite mind of God.
(infinite mind is also imperfect and practically defames God as an Atemporal Holy Creator).

I completely disagree. The One God Exists as a plurality of Persons - Three Persons to be precise

When a new believer or a young person or an unbeliever hears this they
are unfortunately going to "think" Three People. I know what you mean
when you say Three Persons of the One Godhead...and because I know
the history of "three Hypostases in one Ousia" from the Cappadocian
Fathers as well as the wording of the Quicumque vult (believed to be
written by Athanasius) I can fully agree with your statements above.

- Father, Son and Holy Spirit -

Amen. The One Eternal God and Creator.

He Exists as Tri-Personal not Mono-Personal.

Please quote where I have ever said He is only Mono-Personal...

That is a Oneness misunderstanding perhaps..because they are focused
on One Spirit and One Name.

How can I possibly disagree with the distinctions of the Father, Son and
Holy Spirit? What you don't appear to understand here is what is circular
with this whole concept regarding the usage of the Latin words persona
and hypostasis in making such distinctions. Since this is your distinction
that you are using...I have to be in total agreement with you that God
is Eternally Tri-Personal.

However, IF we say "WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD"
make the distinctions equally one word...because maybe the Ordinate
of God's Existence (the Father) Who is clearly NOT Eternally Begotten
(even in the Quicumque vult)should have a different designation for
His distinction from the Son and the Holy Spirit who ARE Eternally
Begotten... In which case you can explain that while you agree with
the usage of Tri-Personal...there is also the possibility that this usage
is imperfect since the Father is not begotten but is the very Ordinate
of God's atemporal existence and we can not perceive His atemporal state.

We need to stick to the script, stick to the Scriptures and not try to go one better than God Himself?!

How is claiming not to know how God exists in an atemporal state
because there hasn't been enough revealed to define this "better than
God Himself?"

How is pointing to other LOGICAL possibilities which polish an understanding
of the Athanasian Creed not sticking to the script? If you can show
me from an exegetical basis where God is defined as three personas or
three hypostases then you can claim that the Athanasian Creed stuck
to canons from Carthage and Jamnia. In this case, sticking to the
script..the Athanasian Creed or Nicene Creed could only use and
quote bible verses rather than dispel heresy systematically.

{actually, Carthage wasn't until 397 and 419 which was slightly
after Hippo and the Nicene Creed was 325 but they still had copies
of the same manuscripts available that became part of the canon(s)}

The ANT monotheist agrees with the purpose of the creeds to
stand against heresy. It is a reaction to St. Gregory's statement
regarding "the infinite co-naturality of three infinites." Saying we
can not know "this" (Gregory's statement)beyond the temporal (or
eternal creation) is the assertion of the ANT monotheist.

In past posts, you have denied his statement all together.

I am completely comfortable with this position because I do not
believe God has to be illogical in an atemporal state. If He is
somehow 3 in 1 in the atemporal state of existence then I am
still not wrong because I am merely claiming that we can not know.

Atemporal state does NOT equal eternal state... God is eternally
One as Three: Father, Son and Holy Spirit as One Awesome and
Amazing Holy and Righteous and Perfect God and Creator.

And Jesus Christ is the only time God became a Man. He is Lord,
Savior, God and Eternal King.