What is and has been the Catholic interpretation of Matthew 24:24?

[LivingWordUnity]

I'm especially asking about the last part of the sentence.

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." - Jesus (Matthew 24:24)

 

[pdudgeon]

Daniel 11:9 to Daniel 12:13 gives a partial picture of the future event.
to lead some astray will be permitted but the elect will have the word of God in them, which is truth, and so will not be led astray by lies or by flattery or empty promises.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Daniel 11:9 to Daniel 12:13 gives a partial picture of the future event.
to lead some astray will be permitted but the elect will have the word of God in them, which is truth, and so will not be led astray by lies or by flattery or empty promises.

I interpret it as Jesus saying that some bishops would be led astray just before his return. And the "if possible" part I interpret as meaning that a validly elected Pope won't fall into error when he is teaching ex cathedra. But I was wondering if someone knows of something that an early Church father, a saint, or a pope had said about that verse.

 

[pdudgeon]

try this:
http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/24

 

[LivingWordUnity]

try this:
http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/24

It looks to me like it is skipped in the commentary.

 

[pdudgeon]

It looks to me like it is skipped in the commentary.

yep it was.
there's this one too. also no comment on verse 24....
http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id42.html

i put them both in because they have a smattering of what you are looking around, but not the actual thing.

 

[benedictaoo]

I think it means we'll have many anti Christs teaching error in His name leading ppl astray. I think it just means you can lose your salvation by being led astray. It would have to be a willful submittance to error though.

 

[benedictaoo]

I'm especially asking about the last part of the sentence.

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." - Jesus (Matthew 24:24)

Hmmm, it's those like the Waco nut. Jim Jones. Those who claim to be Christ leading ppl astray, even trying to get to the elect.

 

[mea kulpa]

Hmmm, it's those like the Waco nut. Jim Jones. Those who claim to be Christ leading ppl astray, even trying to get to the elect.

Well those are the obvious ones but there are preachers and teachers pastors and priests who are more subtle...many do so in ignorance a few others willingly teach error.

We need only look back on western politics to see examples of false prophets those running for office saying the are christian and once in power do everything the can to undermine christianity... and its these false prophets that give true christians a bad name. People say this president or that president were christian and they were evil.... when infact they were wolves in sheeps clothing.... we have had lots and lots of these false prophets in politics and its all but destroyed christendom

 

[benedictaoo]

Mormons and JWs come to my mind.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I'm especially asking about the last part of the sentence.

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." - Jesus (Matthew 24:24)

elect = clergy

 

[pdudgeon]

elect = clergy

really?
i had always thought of the elect whom satan tried to turn as those who knew Jesus and then turned away from Him, then repented and turned back, like Peter.

The 'as if it were possible" would be included because satan couldn't succeed with Peter because Peter's love was stronger than his fear. but satan still tried. But that's just me.

 

[mea kulpa]

W.A is correct

Traditional understanding of elect is the "clergy" more specifically the hiacharchy.

But what you said about satan tempting peter is obviously part of that and a prefigurment of what is happening now

I paraphrase

"The church will doubt as peter doubted, the church will be TEMPTED dispite having recieved the light to believe that man has become God the one who could have been peter will become judas" - i forget the prophecy but i believe it is in an apperition of our lady. It could be an amalgamation of two or three... i will try to find it

 

[mea kulpa]

It is an amaglamation

The first part is from pope pius xii who said regarding our lady of fatima

“I am worried by the Blessed Virgin’s message to Lucia of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the faith in her liturgy. A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God; when the church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain or the red lamp where God awaits them, like Mary Magdalene weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, “Where have they taken Him?”

The second part is from a pedro regis message (pedro regis has the bishopd approval) it reads

"Dear Sons and Daughters, bend your knees in prayer for the Church of My Jesus. The one who could have been Peter will become Judas. He will open the doors for the enemy and will make men and women of faith suffer"

These prophecies show that it is the hiacharcy that are tempted the elect but also that it is a re living of temptation of peter and judas whom satan entered.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Mea Kulpa,

Those quotes sound interesting, but they are very obscure. They don't seem to be authentic quotes.

 

[mea kulpa]

Mea Kulpa,

Those quotes sound interesting, but they are very obscure. They don't seem to be authentic quotes.

The 2nd one is direct off the website dedicated to the apparition. I should have linked there are a few sources for the pius xii quote sorry about that i will link them up later as i am busy now

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Looking at Mt 24:22 and Mt 24:24 together, it seems like Jesus was saying that he will return before the elect are led astray.

Or perhaps soon after.

"And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." - Jesus (Mt 24:22)

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." - Jesus (Mt 24:24)

 

[mea kulpa]

Here is a link to the forst part

https://akacatholic.com/the-church-will-doubt-as-peter-doubted/

As far as i can tell its from this book

http://www.amazon.com/Pie-XII-devant-lhistoire/dp/2221036573

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Mea Kulpa,

That doesn't help. Those are obscure sources. "AKA Catholic.com"?

And that book is apparently the only source for that quote.

 

[mea kulpa]

Like i say i am busy (at work) and will look into it further.

The 2nd The pedro regis one is message 3046. Although this has the suport of the bishop i usually dont give as much creedence to post vatican 2 "messages" as pre vatican 2 but due to the accuracy of the messages i have to give it some consideration