What is Abortion?

[truefiction1]

NO THEY ARE NOT!!!! I was talking to my dad the other day as a rule he did not do abortion but in his 30 years as doctor he performed 40 and everyone but three were medical the other three were pre teen rape cases!!! The problem with people like is you equate all abortion as evil murdering of babies...there is a difference...and guess what if my 11 year old daughter was raped and got pregnant and disgustingly enough it has happened with girls younger but I will be strait, there were be an abortion I would not force my pre teen child to endure that, you need to close your mouth. I am not and many of us pro choice are not advocating abortion for every reason, but there are reason the problem with people like you is your solution is sit and pray...WHICH DOES NOT WORK!!!! 0.01% of answered prayers over the 99.99% unsuccessful is not a success. You need to close your mouth cause this is not know nor has it ever been a black and white case!!!!

Listening to your points has me wondering if you have ever learned the true meaning of life in this world. The meaning of our lives in this world is to prepare for our lives in the next. This present life is not for us to have a good time. If a pre teen is raped and becomes pregnant it would not be unbearable for them if they could accept that God permitted this to happen in order to somehow prepare them for their Eternal life with Him in the Kingdom of heaven. Bad, terrible, horrific things happen to people. Some, for example, are born only to live a small while, in great agony because of some horrific disease, and God permits this because this temporal life is only for the purpose of preparing us for the next. I've heard plenty from you about the problem with "people like me". Now it's your turn to hear what I have to say about the problem with people like you: you place far too much importance on temporal life in "this world". An Orthodox Christian of true belief, living the spiritual life, just doesn't do this. We must be prepared to die, or to live with great hardship, in accordance with whatever God's will is for us. God has said "Thou shall not kill" and so we shall not, and if we do, this is a grave evil, and a thing to mourn and repent over, regardless of the circumstances.

I saw a young pro-choice woman on the news last month sharing her personal testimony about the abortions she'd had a few years ago, and touting them as appropriate and helpful, showing no remorse while smugly citing two or three ways in which she and others benefitted from the abortions. I've seen other women laughing and making jokes about the multiple abortions they'd had at earlier times. I'm pretty sure that women like this are not exceptional: many, many women terminate their pregnancies and don't even bat an eyelash over it because to them it's "just a medical procedure".

First of all, every pro-choicer in the world strongly condemns killing babies. They call it what it is: murder. Only people who never went to high school think the Bible is more important than our Constitution for the federal government to rely on for laws, executi8ve orders, law enforcement, and justice.

On your attempt to describe a D&E abortion, you conveniently ignored the fact that this is not common at any gestational age; most pregnant women know about it during the first trimester. Until a fetus must get out the D&E way instead of via D&C, which is less severe, My preference is based on the U.S. Constitution and simple common sense.

I don't think that every pro-choicer strongly condemns killing babies. To many who harbor pro-choice philosophy, choice becomes such a right that a person needs no other reason to kill a conceived child than "this is what I choose to do". Choice itself is the only reason that is needed to kill the new person who is growing inside. The choice can be for flimsy financial or selfish reasons, like "I have a trip to the Bahamas planned for this year and I don't want to be pregnant during it"... etc... So a person's right to choose is of more value than another persons right to be born? Not in a holy society it isn't. In a holy society, "Women, ... will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.…" (1 Timothy 2:15). I don't know very many people who believe at all that our contemporary society is holy in the least. Perhaps you are one of the rare few?

 

[Laconia79]

40 to 50 million abortions done per year

Sorry to tell its less than 40 or 50 million your stats are exaggerations, today anyone can look for stats. I tend to look for ones not based on biased religious views and again the majority are done because of poverty & lack of proper sex education. Proven fact countries the teach proper sex education have lower abortion rates.

in our times, is that people are killing most of these children because of sin, which is why they were killing them in ancient times as well.

Ancient times like when god killed millions of children with the supposed flood, or the children of Egypt, or the people who were already lived in the promised lands...kill every last man woman and child...oh wait there is an exemption for young virgins...basically if you were a young virgin after watching your family be butchered you got the honor of being gangraped by holy army Israel, and that is exactly what happened. Sorry in the old testament the death of child meant nothing!

Most abortion is done because a girl got pregnant by a boyfriend or husband and the child was not wanted, or it's otherwise being done systemically as a population control measure and so it is sanctioned or required by the authorities. It's largely sin that is driving the sacrificing of children, and even when a child is killed to save the life of the mother, which is a very rare thing indeed these days, this is still a terrible thing which takes place. It is not something that anyone who loves God and values human life would ever celebrate as a virtuous and wonderful thing to have done. It is a thing that must be mourned over. The problem with pro-choice philosophies is that they tend to catapult abortion to the high status of a sacred right, and so it becomes, by default, a sacred "rite", as in a religion, and then it is becomes so acceptable that is then becomes a sacrament of a false religion, like secular humanism, and you know what this means, don't you? It definitely means that the act of abortion becomes an act constituting a sacrificial offering that stands at the center of an ideology (which is a false religion, actually), and culminates in full blown, wide spread child sacrifice, which the evil spirits gladly accept, because they hate human children and would have them all destroyed.

And again most are because the can not afford it. You have teenage girls who are not taught proper sex education and can not afford a child...or an adult who again got pregnant and could not afford it...ARE YOU AND THE REST OF CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY GOING TO PAY FOR IT...NO YOUR NOT!!! If your not gonna pay for it, if your not gonna allow proper sex education to be taught (WHICH WORKS YOU SELF RITEOUS HYPOCRITE!!!!) shut your mouth. Not everyone is Christian, there are atheist, Buddhist, Muslims, Hindu, shamanism, wiccan. Your religious and moral views do trump the rest of the world. FREEDOM OF RELIGION...NOT FREEDOM OF CHRISTIANITY!!!

 

[PloverWing]

In the case of the second meaning I think making a sacrifice would be something like not eating chocolate in order to lose weight - the latter is more highly desired, but it is a sacrifice if one enjoys chocolate. Can the same always be said of abortion eg. "I am giving up having this baby in order that I can finish my degree" - is it not sometimes the baby was not wanted - if so how can it be a sacrifice was made? More of a sacrifice would be giving up sex till one finishes college or university.

I agree that it is important for everyone to be responsible in the sexual choices they make.

There's not much "always" in abortion. People are different, and pregnancies are different. I've only heard the stories of a few people who ended their pregnancies; I haven't heard everyone's story. Maybe some people don't feel like it's much of a sacrifice to end their pregnancy, if the pregnancy is truly unwanted. In that case, it wouldn't fit into the OP's schema at all -- it would be neither "sacrifice" in the offering-to-a-god sense nor "sacrifice" in the giving-up-something-of-value sense. I was thinking more of people who feel it is sad but necessary to end their pregnancies.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I don't think that every pro-choicer strongly condemns killing babies. Too many who harbor pro-choice philosophy, choice becomes such a right that a person needs no other reason to kill a conceived child than This is what I choose to do. Choice itself is the only reason that is needed to kill the new person who is growing inside. The choice can be for flimsy financial or selfish reasons, like "I have a trip to the Bahamas planned for this year and I don't want to be pregnant during it," etc. So a person's right to choose is of more value than another persons right to be born? Not in a holy society it isn't. In a holy society, "Women . . . will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.…" (1 Timothy 2:15). I don't know very many people who believe at all that our contemporary society is holy in the least. Perhaps you are one of the rare few?

All native English speakers/writers know "baby" means a person less than a year old, not any human who has been conceived and not had a birthday yet. That has always been the meaning of baby. In obstetrical medicine textbooks, it is always called zygote, blastocyst, embryo, and fetus, depending on development. People use the word baby in a loving way when they or their loved ones are pregnant, not because this is the correct word to use for an unborn human offspring.

The choice to abort a pregnancy is obviously not always what a woman should make, but many reasons I can name are completely understandable. I have compassion toward these women who want to be moms but for a variety of reasons can neither take care of babies at the time or adopt the expected baby out. To simply say, "The baby can be adopted," you must feel no compassion when a pregnant woman physically, mentally, and socially is forced to suffer - not by God, but the sinners who make human laws for America.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I didn't 'try' and describe it, I quoted it for 6 to 14 weeks, which is extremely common, and then for 13 to 24 weeks.

Arms and legs are pulled off and out and once the head is too large it is crushed. These gruesome details are the truth. Murder should never be sugar coated the same as history. Mankind need to realize how wretched he truly is and repent.

None of that happens during the embryonic stage, which is when most abortions occur.

There is no reason to say legal abortion is murder. You know the definition of murder is illegal homicide. I am sure you know the 14th Amendment explicitly gives all pregnant girls and women rights and excludes unborn human beings at the same time. Yes, abortion is evil, but it is legal, so it cannot be called murder.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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