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What is a Christian Deist?
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None. I used to watch him sometimes on TV and have read criticisms of his works, seen lots of quotes on the web, etc. He never appealed to me as someone to read. I was probably more concerned with those in the Jesus Seminar and did read some Crossan, etc. I have read enough liberal distortions to last a lifetime. I was raised in an extremely liberal Methodist Church... which is part of the reason I became an atheist at an early age.
Can we get back on topic now?
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That Spong is an heretic? I thought that since you had such a pronounced opinion on the subject it was entirely a propos to ask you which of his books you have read.
But as to who is a Christian, if you meet a person who claims to be a Christian (Without qualifications like "Christian Diest" or "Christian Scientist," etc.) who has little or no conception of the content of the Nicene Creed you should not be so quick to accuse him of an illicit impersonation.
But as to who is a Christian, if you meet a person who claims to be a Christian (Without qualifications like "Christian Diest" or "Christian Scientist," etc.) who has little or no conception of the content of the Nicene Creed you should not be so quick to accuse him of an illicit impersonation.
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It was, and I answered it. One does not have to read Mein Kampf to find out what Hitler was like or what he believed.
I never said my reaction to someone who claimed to be a Christian Deist would be the same as to a person who was searching for the truth. And as to your "illicit impersonation" remark, just who are you talking about? Spong? The person who claimed to be a Christian Deist?
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You seemed to be unduly preoccupied with the possibility of persons sneaking onto this board and other places pretending to be Christians and that a person who identifies as a Christian but does not meet your standard deserves only to be denounced and condemned.
But tell me this: what is the difference between worshiping a false Christ and worshiping the real Christ while harboring erroneous notions about Him.
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But it is OK to judge me, right?
People who are not Christians are not supposed to post on this portion of the board... says so right in the header. I have seen the chaos that can be caused on other boards, we have enough disagreement between the Christians here without that. I guess you don't care if people follow the rules or not...
If one's erroneous notions include denouncing Jesus' diety, then they are not worshiping the "real Christ" and remain lost. So, trying to point out that heretical error is offering correction. One cannot look for true salvation if they don't know they are lost, now can they?
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I'm pretty sure it's been pointed out to you before that this part of the forum is open to everyone. If you're getting something in the header which says otherwise I suggest you take it up with the webmaster.
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Hogwash. This is what it says in the header:
Creation & Evolution
Open to non-believers.
Scroll up and look for yourself. There is another Creation & Evolution board for Christians only, but this isn't it.
Moreover, there is a forum-wide rule which says:
"Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed."
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Then they finally got around to moving this tread, because where it was is marked "Christians only".
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This was posted in that area. It must have been moved. My apologies.
And as pointed out, not by my opinion but the Nicean Creed which the board members recognize as their standard, any person who denies the deity of Jesus the Christ is not a real Christian any more than a Mormon is.
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But the point of that rule is that it's not your call to make. If you think some evil atheist Bible-hater has snuck in here disguised as a Christian, report it. If you want to discuss his beliefs with him in a calm, civil and respectful manner that's OK, too, but it is not your place to be hurling anathemas.
And no, I am not a moderator; but you'll be running into them soon the way you are going.
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One thing Jesus and the apostles never shied away from was telling the truth, even when it was unpleasant to the hearer, no matter what the cost. You want to report me, go ahead. Tell your board members they better get their priorities straight... and that we should be able to make that determination against the standard they posted, the Nicean Creed, which I did. If they do kick me off, they are saying that the matter of the deity of Jesus is less important to them than people getting their poor little feelings hurt. God help them if that is true.
I never said anything hurtful or mean, except about that heretic Bishop Spong, which you took umbrage with and defended the man. Wolves in the flock are supposed to be exposed! We are told to do so!
I also told someone that claimed to be a Christian Deist that one could be one (a Christian) or the other (a Deist), but not both. If any person denies the deity of Jesus, they are not a Christian... that is very plain from both scripture and the Nicean Creed also. If the board has a problem with that, then they have a whole lot bigger problem than little ol' me.
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You are free to make any determine you wish, but you must treat all posters and their faiths with respect. This board was created for posters of all faiths and none to discuss creation and evolution, free from condemnation of their beliefs.
Yes, and butter wouldn't melt in your mouth, as my Grandma used to say. "Look here--this guy claims he's an Anglican. I'll rag on Bishop Spong to get his goat." I took umbrage at your attitude towards a misguided fellow Christian. To say that I defended Spong's theological views is a bald-faced lie.
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(Aside corrections about LDS beliefs)--
Anyway, carry on.
This is speculation, not official LDS doctrine. You can be LDS in 100% good standing and totally disagree with it.
Not an LDS belief.
Not according to the dictionary.
Anyway, carry on.
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