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If Jesus had been generally accepted as Messiah i Judea, rather than crucified, what would have happened?
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So you are saying His Kingdom wouldn't have come had things worked out.
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I did. What was required to bring about the Kingdom would not have been accomplished. No need for a thousand years.
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Yes, everything revolved around the Will of God, His Kingdom that even Yeshua served.
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Here is God;s plan whether Jesus was rejected or accepted by Israel as their promised Messiah.
God sent The Son, The Son was to die on the cross so to take away the sin of the world. Then after Jesus was resurrected He Jesus was going to set up the Kingdom rule for 1000 years. Where satan will be locked away for that 1000 years. Where Jesus will rule His Kingdom in near (man will still be a sinner) perfect peace and with perfect justice. Then after the 1000 years are up God will usher in the eternal state and satan and unbelievers will spend eternity in the lake of fire and believer will spend eternity on the new earth living with God forever.
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Obviously we can only give hypothetical answers to a hypothetical question but amongst my obsevations would be the following -
1. There would have been no remission of sins, and the charnel house which was the Temple system would have continued unabated.
2. The only people expecting a Messiah were the Jews, who were a small backwoods country in the massive Roman empire. There would have been no reason for the Romans to take any notice. Their sole focus was the Roman Empire.
It was long before Christ's time, but the Roman attitude to oppositon could be encapsulated in Cato's frequent speech endings in the 2nd Century BC viz. "Carthage must be destroyed" (Carthago delenda est), ultimately leading to the Third Punic War.
3. Christ would have had to rule like any other political ruler, including waging war, budgeting for the priesthood, and opposing certain Roman laws, including the penalty of crucifixion. Unless He used His supernatural power to defend Himself (which I think is what Judas wanted Him to do), He'd have been usurped by the Romans anyway.
4. He would have had to spread his message from the top down (eg. Pharisees and Sadducees) instead of the way Chrisitanity generally operated from the bottom up. Mind you I think a lot of ground would be made in some countries with a top down approach eg. Japan and China, if the leaders became Christian.
1. There would have been no remission of sins, and the charnel house which was the Temple system would have continued unabated.
2. The only people expecting a Messiah were the Jews, who were a small backwoods country in the massive Roman empire. There would have been no reason for the Romans to take any notice. Their sole focus was the Roman Empire.
It was long before Christ's time, but the Roman attitude to oppositon could be encapsulated in Cato's frequent speech endings in the 2nd Century BC viz. "Carthage must be destroyed" (Carthago delenda est), ultimately leading to the Third Punic War.
3. Christ would have had to rule like any other political ruler, including waging war, budgeting for the priesthood, and opposing certain Roman laws, including the penalty of crucifixion. Unless He used His supernatural power to defend Himself (which I think is what Judas wanted Him to do), He'd have been usurped by the Romans anyway.
4. He would have had to spread his message from the top down (eg. Pharisees and Sadducees) instead of the way Chrisitanity generally operated from the bottom up. Mind you I think a lot of ground would be made in some countries with a top down approach eg. Japan and China, if the leaders became Christian.
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