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Revelation 22:21 said:
true, but that creator does not have to be the Christian God.... it does not even have to be sentient, alive or aware in any form.
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What if evolution was proven false?
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true, but that creator does not have to be the Christian God.... it does not even have to be sentient, alive or aware in any form.
Utter nonsense! You might as well say we are here so that proves there is no god; makes about as much sense.
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What is a troll? & I thought this forum is called Christian forums, why are soo many posters hostile to GOd?
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Oh yeah dont get your hopes up about Evil-oution ever being proven! Hay too your question acknowledges Evil-oution AINT GOT ANT PROOF BEHIND IT, AT ALL! WOW what a statement from an Evil-outionist!
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obediah001 said:
standard definition of a troll, is someone who posts purely to provoke a reaction with no intention of being involved in the discussion at all. there is no point discussing with trolls since, regardless of what you say, they will not listen, and, more often than not, they are either too ignorant to have any clue, or do not actually believe in what they are saying.
I haven't seen any posters here be hostile to God.
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I think there two main schools of thought between atheism and theism-
-Atheism- everything is what it is- has been what it was- and will be what it will be.
-Theism- Nothing was as nothing- because the concept of "nothing" didn't even exist. Zero and One didn't exist- and most importantly- existence itself didn't exist.
When people think of "creation"- they usually think of this Giant mass known as God- that was floating around in far out space- and after an infinate amount of time he created everything.--
I'm thinking that it is impossible to imagine what things were like before creation- because we only have what we can see.
Before creation there was no time- no blackness- no color- and most importantly- there wasn't "nothing". "Existence" didn't exist.
-Atheism- everything is what it is- has been what it was- and will be what it will be.
-Theism- Nothing was as nothing- because the concept of "nothing" didn't even exist. Zero and One didn't exist- and most importantly- existence itself didn't exist.
When people think of "creation"- they usually think of this Giant mass known as God- that was floating around in far out space- and after an infinate amount of time he created everything.--
I'm thinking that it is impossible to imagine what things were like before creation- because we only have what we can see.
Before creation there was no time- no blackness- no color- and most importantly- there wasn't "nothing". "Existence" didn't exist.
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David Gould said:
Well, either the universe always existed-
or it didn't.
In my opnion- if there was no God- then there would be nothing- utter nothing- there wouldn't even be "nothing"- because "nothing" is something.
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Revelation 22:21 said:
that's where you are wrong. you can still have something that isn't the universe, and it doesn't need to be God either.
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Jet Black said:
-Animals and organisms have been dying for billions of years-- and we've finally gotten intelligent enough to be scared of it. Evolution really got screwed up when we suddenly stopped living primarily to pass on offspring but to please ourselves.- If there was no reason for us being here other than to pass on babies- then we would be content with that alone. We're obviously not- and thats why we have religions in the first place.
I see no problem with religion preying on it- after all, that is why we have religions anyway.
You love the world, and you're lucky you were born so that you could enjoy it- I know I am. Have you ever thought that someone could have taken your place?- Lived your life- did what you have done- and you would never have existed. But that didn't happen- and you are here- so praise luck- because it found you.
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our basic drives are still sex and reproduction, but yes, we are intelligent, and that makes us the most successful species on the planet. so?Revelation 22:21 said:
basically you're asking me what consciousness is. can you define it for me? is it possible for someone else to be conscious in my head? could consciousness swap bodies, interesting question. I don't know. It is a fascinating question, but not for here.
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Jet Black said:
yes we can have something that isn't the universe- but we don't have it, we have the universe instead.- you are assuming that the concept of "something" is universal and infinate and always exists.
Before Creation there was no concept of "something"- God created that. God wasn't "anything" or "something"- because that would be something of which God created.
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I am talking about something external to the universe, not the universe. you call that external thing God, I see no need for it to be God or any god.Revelation 22:21 said:
you're applying "universal terms" where they do not hold any meaning.
see, you have just thrown in your God now. next you will assign a bunch of attributes like sentience, love, benevolance and so on, which do not need to be there. My point is, that whatever "caused" the universe does not need to be your God.
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God is the stage manager, scenery designer, prop man, producer, director, and plays all the parts but yours.It's all just God and you. I know this because God told me. He also said He was thinking of becoming an atheist. By the way, I'm not real. I'm just patterns on a monitor screen.
God is the stage manager, scenery designer, prop man, producer, director, and plays all the parts but yours.It's all just God and you. I know this because God told me. He also said He was thinking of becoming an atheist. By the way, I'm not real. I'm just patterns on a monitor screen.
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"I think it is ace. life is good, though it has it's rough patches from time to time. but I feel right at home."
Yes. The world loves its own, but you (Christians) are not of the world but of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Why does the world hate us? Because it hated Him first.
Yuke
Yes. The world loves its own, but you (Christians) are not of the world but of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Why does the world hate us? Because it hated Him first.
Yuke
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