As expected, you didn't answer the question.
I even tried something different with the question this time around...often when you tell someone they cannot/will not do something, they will do it...interesting.
Will you please at least answer the following 3 questions? And of course feel free to comment on any other comments I made.
1)No idea what you are talking about on the "separation being made prior" please explain? 2) How do you know that? 3) And may I ask who taught you that?
It appears to be most recent of phrases designed to confuse/do away with what that scripture is very clear about? The usual way of trying to confuse it, because it does cut to the chase/flies in the face of no works necessary was, the Goats "were never saved to begin with".something that could never be proven either, and I think why it's not used so much here lately.
Not sure exactly where you stand, and since we have pulled off topic anyway, even though this does, in a way, fit... To all OSASr's that teach against works being a necessity/we can sin as we wish, or those that even scoff at people who are obedient to what God/Christ says we must do, that condemn others of actually being bad because being obedient has been twisted into legalism or trying to earn salvation, it's really quite simple and you need to stop listening to Easy Way teachers....
Salvation cannot be earned, however disobedience can and will cost us our place in heaven.
Indeed, you are not wrong for worshiping on Sunday. No one can ever be wrong when worshiping The Lord and gathering together for fellowship in the name of YahuShua (Jesus). To worship The Lord any and all days is righteousness, but the seventh day is the day God has commanded us to remember and keep holy. So then on Saturday, do no work, but rest in The Lord, and pray and be merry. Then, when Sunday comes, worship and fellowship, if you so choose, for this is also pleasing to the Lord.
I hear some of you saying, ‘Yes, but we are no longer under the Law.’ You are partially right. We are under grace, freed from the Law’s punishment by YahuShua’ death and resurrection. Has then The Law also passed away? As the apostle, Paul, says, ‘God forbid.’ Rather, only the laws found in ordinances were nailed to the cross of The Messiah, as Paul has taught us.
The Law of the Ten Commandments is now established in us and fulfilled by YahuShua, who is the only One who has never transgressed, who also said, “It is easier for Heaven and earth to pass away than one letter of the Law to fail” (Matthew 5:18); and again, saying, “Whoever breaks one of these least commandments, and shall teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom; but whoever teaches others to keep them, shall be called great in the Kingdom” (Matthew 5:19)... He, also being the same One who taught us the Law anew, and how to obey it. Why teach us of that which has passed away? So then, if YahuShua remembered the Sabbath and the apostles remembered the Sabbath, how is it then we have forgotten it?!
The church who changed the Sabbath was wrong, but the churches who worship on Sunday are not wrong. For even the apostles wrote that they did gather together on the first day of the week, which was the day after the day they rested and kept holy. (They were Jewish Followers of The Way. They honored and kept the Law and the Holy Days, but with a much greater understanding in the knowledge that YahuShua is the fulfillment of all things and their one and only best example.) Rather, we, as individuals in Messiah, should keep the Sabbath as it is written. In obedience to God, in Messiah, is our love made perfect.
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Sunrise service is a worship service on Easter practiced by some Protestant churches, replacing the traditional, ancient Easter Vigil preserved by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches.
The service takes place outdoors, sometimes in a park, and the attendees are seated on outdoor chairs or benches.
Ezekiel 8:15-17King James Version (KJV)
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
Normally, I have no issues answering anyone about anything, but in this case I've answered everything and yet you are whining about me not answering you once again. So, for you, I will not be answering anything else since you don't seem to notice anyway. Quit wasting my time.
The Lord has given us seven Holy days to celebrate.
Four Feasts are fulfilled:
Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Pentecost.
And three are coming quickly:
Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles
No, you have not answered. If you think you did, you need to read the question again. As to wasting someones time, I'd say that's exactly what you have done. And of course you won't be answering anything else... it's much easier to go the route of pretending you have something to be angry with me about than it is to step up, and take responsibility for the fact you cannot answer a simple question.
But no worries, as you well know, I was prepared for no answer.
NONE of which are open to Christians.
Isaiah 1:13-14 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Amos 8:10 and I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.
There are literally no holidays that a true Christian may celebrate--those that are not Jewish are either pagan or purely secular in origin.
What holidays do you think should be forbidden for a Christian to participate in?
None.
I think Christians are generally very capable of making up their own minds, and not participating in anything that may be harmful.
So then if you have no issue with the sin of witchcraft being diplayed, or the sin of murder being displayed, or the promotion of the sin of fear, or the display of sinful beings such as the devil, etc. then what sins would you have a problem in displaying or play acting as a part of a celebration or holiday?
Should there be a inappropriate content holday? How about promoting a drinking and driving holiday in Burkina Faso? How about a "Children's play around fallen power lines and deadly cobras holiday"?
What sin would not be acceptable to you. That is what we are talking about here.
Apparently the display of sin of witchcraft and murder, and carnal fear is not an enough of an issue for you to say to others that they should not do it.
I originally wrote that Halloween is not good; I hate it, personally.
I deleted the comment, because Halloween is not a holiday - just a very annoying evening.
I believe that fellow Christians who love the Lord are perfectly capable of avoiding unholy/unhelpful festivals, without big brother saying "you should NOT honour them." I can't imagine any Spirit filled Christian wanting to celebrate witches, ghouls and the like. If they DID, I'd probably challenge them on it, but ultimately it's between them and God.
If the world wanted holidays to celebrate those things, that's up to them. I belong to Christ and am not of the world.
No.
A lot of people don't believe in Christ his words or his claims, and in fact claim not to believe in anything. That is not actually true - they may believe in horoscopes, fate, in letting everyone do their own thing, or may believe that there is no God. Telling such a person that the occult, Halloween or honouring witches is a sin against God won't matter to them if they don't believe in him, and don't follow his teaching about being holy.
Saying, "I'm a Christian, I don't celebrate Halloween and if you want to know why, I'll tell you"; or "we don't celebrate that; would you like to come to a party - with food - at church on 31st instead?" is an effective witness. Saying, "You should NOT do this, end of ...." is not.
Like I said, if they are not Christians and don't wish to honour God, why would they accept that? If a Hindu told you that eating beef was a sin, would you believe him? No; because it's not a sin for you.
That's not what you asked.
You said, "which holiday should it be forbidden for a Christian to participate in?"
My answer was that I would trust Christians to know which holidays/festivals are unhealthy for them, without having to lay down the law about it. By all means challenge a Christian friend/church member about their behaviour/beliefs or explain why it is wrong; but saying "you shouldn't or can't, is not likely to be helpful."
I had you on ignore until a few days ago, but I couldn't recall why. Now I remember. You earned it by whining and accusing.
What fruit is displayed by those who call themselves Christian?... Love? Joy? Peace? Patience? Kindness? Gentleness? Goodness? Mercy?! So then if it bears no fruit, according to His own spirit, then from what spirit must this come?You do realize what you say there says much more about you than it does me.
If you want to ignore the truth, that's completely up to you. A lot of this is about people that want to hide from the truth, so I am aware of what to expect.
This is part of life, and I know some don't share the opinion, but some of us simply will not ignore any of it.
That is not what you said before, my friend. You said which holidays should be forbidden? You said, “none.”
This means you don’t think such holidays are forbidden and yet you appear to be saying that now.
It doesn’t matter what tactic you think is effective or not. We are talking truth; And the truth says Halloween is a forbidden practice amongst Christians.
So forbidding me from doing so - apart from being a complete waste of time - just shows that you don't know me very well, or are so sceptical of my faith and love for the Lord, that you think that I might have to be prevented from doing something.
Hos 4:6 - My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.I believe Christians are responsible, and sensible, enough to avoid unhelpful and unhealthy practices such as Halloween, on their own.
Sketcher said:Yes, but people will actively go to your porch on Halloween.
Jason0047 said:Not if the lights are off on the inside (on the front part that they can see) and they are off on outside of the house (Making it look like nobody is home or they are asleep).
RiseninJesus said:No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light. Luke 11:33.
YOU asked "what holidays should be forbidden?"
I did say "none", for the reasons I gave.
a) Halloween is NOT a holiday
b) I believe Christians are responsible, and sensible, enough to avoid unhelpful and unhealthy practices such as Halloween, on their own. In other words; you shouldn't need to get heavy handed with Christians and say "you must NOT celebrate Halloween; it is forbidden". Most Christians won't want to go anywhere near it.
c) For non Christians; if they don't honour God and/or see anything wrong with Halloween, they will not take any notice of Christians trying to force them not to do it.
No!
I'm saying that, when it comes to Halloween, we shouldn't need to FORBID it - most Christians won't want anything to do with it.
In other words, I don't see a need among Christians to forbid Halloween - I would trust them to make their own decision and that they wouldn't WANT to celebrate it.
And I say that any Christian who loves the Lord will have no intention of celebrating, and honouring Halloween - at least, not in the sense that the world practices it, with witches, ghosts, zombies or whatever.
I, personally, might feel insulted if you were to say to me; "you CANNOT, under any circumstances, celebrate Halloween in this way". I would feel insulted because if you knew anything about me, you would know that I have no intention of celebrating it, and dishonouring the Lord.
So forbidding me from doing so - apart from being a complete waste of time - just shows that you don't know me very well, or are so sceptical of my faith and love for the Lord, that you think that I might have to be prevented from doing something.
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