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What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

What do you understand about the Ten Commandments?

  • The ten Commandments belong to God

  • The Ten Commandments belong to Moses.

  • The principles of the Ten commandments are restricted to a time period.

  • The principles of the Ten Commandments are/were for all times.

  • Jesus/God wrote the Ten Commandments.

  • Moses wrote the Ten Commandments

  • All men will be judged by the principles of the Ten Commandments.

  • Only the Jews will be judge by the principles of the Ten Commandments.

  • The principles of the Ten Commandments is what Jesus meant will not change. Mat 5:17-19.

  • A Christians can be saved without living up to the principles of the Ten Commandments


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The conclusion of the scripture [inclusive of law] seems exceptionally clear to me:

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Why do you ignore our current position spoken about in the passage you quoted? I bolded and colored in blue for you so you know exactly what I'm talking about. If all still continue in the same state, what was Jesus saying changed? Being born again is change. You contend we're still the same. What does Paul say - new man? Isn't this change of state of being? Are you confused about what really has taken place by some physical manifestations or a personal problem (thorn in the flesh)? The sins of the believer have already been judged.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
There is no understanding that can honestly make us conclude we 'have' (present tense) no sin. The instant we make that conclusion we are not truthful/honest to the measure of 1 John 1:8 and therefore lying and not in TRUTH.
So my question is - is John saying we live a lifestyle of sin? I couldn't agree to that. Verse 10 says if we sin not if we practice sin as a lifestyle. It is also in the passed tense. Yes our body will reap the consequences of its sin as already promised the sentence will be carried out.
Jesus was pretty clear that the thought of sin is sin, even if not externalized, that it is evil and that it is defiling. What would you propose to avoid that fact set? And secondly, why would we say otherwise if those fact sets are facts?
Yes He did. What thoughts is Jesus talking about? Is it the temptations placed on us or is the thoughts we have possession of?
I find little use for lying or hypocrisy about these matters as there is even deeper depths of 'issues' that we are also clearly warned of, as in being turned into a lying hypocrite.
I tire of you insisting that temptations are our thoughts. Your combination of facts is an effort to prove something not intended by their author. This is commonly referred to as twisting the Scripture.
That conclusion would not appear sufficient to run the gauntlet of understandings either:

1 John 3:
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Then by your understanding there is not such thing as redemptive salvation. John isn't saying one never sins if they've been redeemed. His intention is the practice of sin as a lifestyle. Read the whole book for overall context. So is that verse talking about what the law does in us or in Jesus? Again read the whole book for context. I think the chapter might suffice in this case, though. Sin isn't attached to the Christian. No you've misused proof texts divorced from context dessiring to prove a false fact.
 
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So we're lying if we don't agree with you. How Now everyone please fall in line.
 
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Why do you ignore our current position spoken about in the passage you quoted? I bolded and colored in blue for you so you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Any conclusion that says you are currently the entire Perfection of Jesus Christ is a delusion of religion. Not that I haven't seen it before.

If all still continue in the same state, what was Jesus saying changed? Being born again is change. You contend we're still the same.

I don't contend anything. I read and accept what the Word teaches.

The WORD, the LAW, the COMMANDS are not just about MAN.

Jesus spoke LAW to Satan as well. So trying to make LAW issues only issues about MAN is a false approach.

MAN in case you hadn't noticed is also and continues to be 'subject to temptation' which is DEMONIC and is prompted by the WORD, the LAW coming to our MINDS. Thereby evil thoughts, tempting thoughts come in, are evil, are defiling. No man keeps this from happening because....

it's not just about MAN.

You can rosy up any scenario you want about yourself as the supposed new man. I am not required to lie about being tempted, about that being by the tempter and about the tempter being provoked by the LAW.

The attempt to make LAW only about sinless you doesn't work or compute in the face of the obvious.

Wallowing in a non-existing fantasy state is worthless. We have our HOPE, but it is a HOPE that is in WAITING.

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Doesn't answer my question.
 
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Before one is "born again" God's way, ie, you, I, and others have diverse ways, and underwent "born anew" His valid one Way, then one is a sinner but no longer under the deadly damning power of sin.

Living my life between reality and fantasy, ie, the time I was born into, sinner Jack

btw hope this helps a little
 
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Only when one takes possession of them.
 
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Only when one takes possession of them.

You can excuse it however you wish. I know who temptation is of, that such works within are evil and defiling and that the LAW condemns that worker of iniquity, therefore do the math OR make excuses.

There are no excuses available for the tempter in my mind or heart.

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If one's sin has been taken away, how do they still posses it?
 
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Not any more.
 
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Yep no context and this divorced statement makes it look like I practice sin as a lifestyle. Such things are only intended to destroy showing a true nature.

The Word has every intention of destroying the tempter, who is only being presently tolerated and inflamed by the law.

Matters of law are not matters of 'only man.'
 
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What is the way of God? Is it not defined in the Ten Commandments? Is not the sin that the Holy Spirit keep me from, breaking the Ten commandments? If not please state what it is, what is sin.
 
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What is the way of God? Is it not defined in the Ten Commandments? Is not the sin that the Holy Spirit keep me from, breaking the Ten commandments? If not please state what it is, what is sin.

Time's running out Elder. Read the Gospels and the Apostles. If you reject their words, well, why bother with anything else?
 
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I wish you would talk to me. Not that stuffed dummy that you would rather deal with, who is not me. All you are doing is having an imaginary argument where you win, but its not with me. You just use me as a means to speak to that imaginary playmate you have invented. You have a lot to learn. Once you stop presuming you may begin to.
I say a believer is a sinner and has sin after salvation and you whine about it.
What is your imaginary opponent's name? Have you given him a name yet? 'Skinner the Sinner.' That sounds good! From now on, address me as Skinner. That way, I know I should back off, and let you argue with your imaginary playmate.

I point out that Paul was a sinner, even the chief of same after salvation and you whine about it.
Your being obnoxious. Plain and simple. You're sinning constantly against me with how you are attempting to debate with me. You have no idea what I believe. But, don't let me stop you. You are entertaining yourself, by creating a false playmate that you can attack and defeat.

This is what you really need to keep you busy in your sparse time.


 
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What is the way of God? Is it not defined in the Ten Commandments? Is not the sin that the Holy Spirit keep me from, breaking the Ten commandments? If not please state what it is, what is sin.

It has been pointed out to you many times now that none of us become sinless by following the law. No state of obedience to external observances is able to conclude that we are sinless. Those who approach the law that way are only kidding themselves about sin.

Evil thoughts come to all of us in adverse fashions when the law is upheld. This is depicted in great detail by Paul in Romans 7 and nobody avoids that from happening. From an internal perspective, all men are internally defiled in this way and they are so because of the working of temptation within.

Just because a person appears obedient on the exterior does not mean they are obedient or sinless.

Temptation defiles us all. An honest man who recognizes what is going on within will not be sucked in any further than that. But to say we are legally obedient on the outside is only to justify the tempter on the inside and that can not logically happen, ever.

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If a person claims they have no internal temptation after salvation, that it is not of the tempter and not evil and defiling, what do you expect me to say?

I see otherwise.

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If a person claims they have no internal temptation after salvation, that it is not of the tempter and not evil and defiling, what do you expect me to say?

Stop sending these to me, please. You need to post to Skinner. He's the one as you imagine to be that way.


In the mean time. Your sin nature is being broadcasted all over the place in how you make up stuff about me. Its sin you know, when you do that. Sin. I know you are a believer.

I got you figured out. The first time I thought you simply made a mistake. But as you became consistently hitting a wall.. I realize that you simply like to toy and manipulate others. Either that? Or you have a serious problem with perceiving what another is saying. If it continues and you do not correct yourself? God's mercy = Ignore function. Then I can leave you to just you and Skinner, and stay out of it.

Wishing you a nice Day. Say hello to Skinner for me!
 
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Jesus never stated not implied that thje urisdjiction of the Ten commandments is finished or were finished at the cross. We have Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
If I take your argument to be true, this is what this statement by Jesus would mean. I come not to destroy but to finish away with. How does that work? What is the difference between destroy and finish if not the same?
What then is the meaning of the next verse? 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So when Jesus died on the cross the earth and heaven was made over! If not something is very wrong!
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If Jesus did not remake the heaven and earth at His death on the Cross it will mean that not even the dot of the "i" can be moved from the law, so that with verse 19 we who promote that the whole law is gone in some serious trouble! In other words to put if flatly and brazenly, you have been lied to and you believe a lie.
If you love me keep my Commandments. John 14:15.
IT is not about works it is about Obedience and love that observes obedience.
 
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