Francis Drake
Returning adventurer.
- Apr 14, 2013
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New birth depends on our response to the creator, not our response to theology.It always takes a personal encounter with Christ to believe in Christ, whether the person recognizes it as such or not. However if a Christian is not required for an unbeliever to believe in Him, then is preaching the gospel even necessary?
New birth comes when we accept the conviction of the Holy Spirit working directly on our heart.
Salvation comes as the follow on process for those already born again. Salvation is a lifetime journey of continual deliverance as we grow into sonship.
Scripture states clearly that Christ is our creator, that Christ is the Lord revealed throughout the OT Law and the Prophets etc. not just in the NT.
Heb11v24By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.
How could Moses "esteem the reproach of Christ", unless Christ was the God we read of in the OT?
And Christ didn't just bring Moses out of Egypt, he brought the whole tribe of Israel out, leading and feeding them on their journey.
1Cor10v1Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3all ate the same spiritual food, 4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
The gospel message of the cross is about the power of God to change the lives of those who are already born again.
The message of the Cross was never addressed to the unregenerate, but only to those who were already born again.
Thus a Muslim or Hindu, who has never encountered a Christian, may still become born again as the Holy Spirit convicts his heart, and he surrenders to his maker. From that point on, his earthly salvation and deliverance will depend on how much truth he has access to, either from other believers, from scriptures, or by direct revelation just as it always was throughout the bible and history.
The latter was my own experience.
I encountered God as a child alone in my bedroom and surrendered my life to him. I was ignorant of the gospel.
In my teens I had further direct revelations from the Lord.
It was over 10 years later, when I was about 24 years old that I first encountered the gospel, and read about the God I had known in my heart since childhood!
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