What happens if an Orthodox priest's baptism is invalid?

[Not David]

Is every Sacrament he performs invalid?

 

[rusmeister]

Is every Sacrament he performs invalid?

My two cents is that sacraments are not dependent on the priest’s state. If, for example, imagine my priest got drunk, and administers Communion in an unrepentant hangover. Does Christ deny me the blessing of the sacrament because of how my priest lives? I don’t think so. It’s not magic, and not dependent on the priest not screwing up, or pronouncing the words clearly and correctly, without a heavy foreign accent or whatever.

The Devil is a lawyer, a DA, literally his own advocate (district attorney/devil’s advocate), and sacraments dependent on legalism are his wishful thinking. But Christ is the Judge.

I should probably get a line at the bottom of posts saying that all of my opinions are subject to correction from Holy Tradition.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

My two cents is that sacraments are not dependent on the priest’s state. If, for example, imagine my priest got drunk, and administers Communion in an unrepentant hangover. Does Christ deny me the blessing of the sacrament because of how my priest lives? I don’t think so. It’s not magic, and not dependent on the priest not screwing up, or pronouncing the words clearly and correctly, without a heavy foreign accent or whatever.

The Devil is a lawyer, a DA, literally his own advocate (district attorney/devil’s advocate), and sacraments dependent on legalism are his wishful thinking. But Christ is the Judge.

I should probably get a line at the bottom of posts saying that all of my opinions are subject to correction from Holy Tradition.

I guess this would also include government agents that go through seminary with ulterior motives and hidden agendas, Masons, Jesuits, occultists etc.


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[prodromos]

Is every Sacrament he performs invalid?

As I said in the thread on OBOB, I assume that the grace of his ordination would fill whatever was lacking in his baptism.
Of course my opinion isn't worth a hill of beans. This is a question for the bishop.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I don't see how that's possible, especially since baptism comes with chrismation and proof of both comes before ordination.

 

[prodromos]

I don't see how that's possible, especially since baptism comes with chrismation and proof of both comes before ordination.

I imagine during periods of intense persecution, records may be lost or baptisms done in secret, so proof may not be that easy to come by.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I imagine during periods of intense persecution, records may be lost or baptisms done in secret, so proof may not be that easy to come by.

sure, but then how would you know it was invalid?

 

[FenderTL5]

See, "My Big Fat Greek Wedding II" (then again, maybe not - imho it was nowhere near as charming as the first one) for a comedic take on similar issues.

 

[☦Marius☦]

See, "My Big Fat Greek Wedding II" (then again, maybe not - imho it was nowhere near as charming as the first one) for a comedic take on similar issues.

Yes I've been told those movies are the true Orthodox Catechism by many

 

[~Anastasia~]

The guy who does the speaking part of our Church tours calls them documentaries.

 

[StanU]

As I said in the thread on OBOB, I assume that the grace of his ordination would fill whatever was lacking in his baptism.
Of course my opinion isn't worth a hill of beans. This is a question for the bishop.

I am pretty sure that is right.
There was a short Russian story with this exact premise - a relative took the boy to get baptised to another village, didn't reach it due to weather, lied that she did. Story is fictional but references real case that was decided in one of the eparchies or ROC. I wish I remembered the title and the author; someone fairly famous.

 

[Not David]

I don't see how that's possible, especially since baptism comes with chrismation and proof of both comes before ordination.

That happened to a Catholic priest who got baptized with milk.

 

[Anhelyna]

That happened to a Catholic priest who got baptized with milk.

As said in the thread on OBOB where this was brought up
If it were discovered that your priest had been invalidly baptized, what would that mean for you?
<<It is an urban legend as stated in the article. The ramifications is what she is discussing. It would be a nightmare. None of the sacraments he presided over would be valid.>>

 

[Not David]

As said in the thread on OBOB where this was brought up
If it were discovered that your priest had been invalidly baptized, what would that mean for you?
<<It is an urban legend as stated in the article. The ramifications is what she is discussing. It would be a nightmare. None of the sacraments he presided over would be valid.>>

I guess, I just didn't like how they make it sound Orthodox don't take the sacraments seriously.

 

[RobNJ]

I guess this would also include government agents that go through seminary with ulterior motives and hidden agendas, Masons, Jesuits, occultists etc.
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[ArmyMatt]

That happened to a Catholic priest who got baptized with milk.

yeah, but with Orthodoxy you should know that ahead of time.

 

[prodromos]

I guess, I just didn't like how they make it sound Orthodox don't take the sacraments seriously.

Yeah, I just had to bite my tongue after that one. That particular person has a habit of misrepresenting Orthodoxy to put it in a bad light, but since I was 'in his house', I wasn't about to get into an argument with him over it.

 

[rusmeister]

I guess, I just didn't like how they make it sound Orthodox don't take the sacraments seriously.

Said by people who do Communion in the hand and have “extraordinary ministers”.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

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Never mind. Don’t mind me.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Said by people who do Communion in the hand and have “extraordinary ministers”.

and who don't give the Blood to the people, and can serve with only a priest present and no flock, and, and....

although communion in the hand isn't so bad. it is what the Church used to do.