What happened to the jew's Messiah?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

According to christians and muslims, the Lord is returning in the future. The antichrist can't come until the jew's Moshiach shows up, which the muslims claim is Muhammad.

How can the Day of the Lord/new heavens and earth happen before the messiah the jews are waiting shows up? Thoughts?

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

(Young) Hebrews 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant He is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

VonKarman · Apr 14, 2006

littlelamb:

In 5 pages of a go-nowhere 3-ring circus thread, he still hasn't answered though... lol..

In fact, I think I even saw an outright denial to answer anything. A few of them... lol..

Oh wait - he's real knowledgable in Judaism though.

Must be a secret as to why he's holding back on enlightening us all.

Too funny.

This place is definitely entertaining...

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

According to christians and muslims, the Lord is returning in the future. The antichrist can't come until the jew's Moshiach shows up, which the muslims claim is Muhammad.

How can the Day of the Lord/new heavens and earth happen before the messiah the jews are waiting shows up? Thoughts?

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

(Young) Hebrews 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant He is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

VonKarman said:
littlelamb:

In 5 pages of a go-nowhere 3-ring circus thread, he still hasn't answered though... lol..

In fact, I think I even saw an outright denial to answer anything. A few of them... lol..
Oh wait - he's real knowledgable in Judaism though.
Must be a secret as to why he's holding back on enlightening us all.
Too funny.
This place is definitely entertaining...

All I want is an answer from the jews of what happens after their Moshiach shows up. Seems the muslims and christians are waiting on the Endtimes now since they feel Jesus was the Moshiach. I am just a little confused on this.

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

arunma · Apr 14, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
According to christians and muslims, the Lord is returning in the future. The antichrist can't come until the jew's Moshiach shows up, which the muslims claim is Muhammad.

It's a strong possibility that in the future, a person will come whom the Jews (and probably an equal number of non-Jews) will regard as a messiah of political, secular Israel. I don't think that such a person must necessarily be the anti-Christ. But anyone who claims to be a messiah in place of Jesus Christ will most likely be brought to the depths of hell for attempting to usurp the throne of God and his Christ. I would hope that any would be christ will repent speedily, before the true Christ destroys him!

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

arunma said:
It's a strong possibility that in the future, a person will come whom the Jews (and probably an equal number of non-Jews) will regard as a messiah of political, secular Israel. I don't think that such a person must necessarily be the anti-Christ. But anyone who claims to be a messiah in place of Jesus Christ will most likely be brought to the depths of hell for attempting to usurp the throne of God and his Christ. I would hope that any would be christ will repent speedily, before the true Christ destroys him!

I do not share that view.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

peepnklown · Apr 14, 2006

Von said:
In 5 pages of a go-nowhere 3-ring circus thread, he still hasn't answered though

The problem arises when you enter into a discussion without reading from the beginning. How about you start from post#3, then you will see why I will not answer him.
Another problem arises when you haven’t been reading any of the multiple discussions we have been having.

A – He will not substantiate his claim from post#3. See, he doesn’t want answers; I have played his game long enough.
B – I have already invested enough answers in several different threads, yet he will not support his claims, PERIOD.

Now, instead of providing your meaningless commentary, why don’t you step up to the plate and actually add something to the conversion?
Its easy typing up slander isn’t it?

Lamb said:
I am just a little confused on this.

You can wait for others to answer your question, but how about you finally substantiate your claim from post#3 for us?
If Jesus is the Jewish Moshiach like you claim, it should be simple to list the requirements and show how Jesus fulfilled them.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

peepnklown said:
The problem arises when you enter into a discussion without reading from the beginning. How about you start from post#3, then you will see why I will not answer him.
Another problem arises when you haven’t been reading any of the multiple discussions we have been having.

A – He will not substantiate his claim from post#3. See, he doesn’t want answers; I have played his game long enough.
B – I have already invested enough answers in several different threads, yet he will not support his claims, PERIOD.

Now, instead of providing your meaningless commentary, why don’t you step up to the plate and actually add something to the conversion?
Its easy typing up slander isn’t it?

You can wait for others to answer your question, but how about you finally substantiate your claim from post#3 for us?
If Jesus is the Jewish Moshiach like you claim, it should be simple to list the requirements and show how Jesus fulfilled them.

You mean this one:

Jesus is the Moshiach in the Bible.

How about you explaining why christians and muslims are waiting on the return of the Lord and New heaven and earth of Isaiah 65 which cannot happen until the jews' Messiah/Moshiach shows up to Israel. Do the jews understand that? Peace.

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a new covenant, 33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2869...evelation.html

chokmah · Apr 14, 2006

peep:

I recommend that you drop conversation with LLoJ. He's a troll who doesn't read what people write. I've explained to him TWICE what the Jewish Messiah will do and he still comes back and asks the same things redundantly. He doesn't care about learning.

Hope you're doing well.

c

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

chokmah said:
peep:

I recommend that you drop conversation with LLoJ. He's a troll who doesn't read what people write. I've explained to him TWICE what the Jewish Messiah will do and he still comes back and asks the same things redundantly. He doesn't care about learning.

Hope you're doing well.

c

Yes. You were a christian for 20 years before you finally got tired of waiting for Jesus to return then you turned Noahide, correct?

peepnklown · Apr 14, 2006

Lamb said:
Jesus is the Moshiach in the Bible.

Either substantiate your claim, or admit you cannot, simple. Instead of supporting your claim, you shift to another point, or ask me to answer another question, which is fallacious in nature.

I will type this again: Either substantiate your claim, or admit you cannot, simple.

chokmah · Apr 14, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
Yes. You were a christian for 20 years before you finally got tired of waiting for Jesus to return then you turned Noahide, correct?

I haven't addressed you in this thread, and I'm not about to start now. I've given you more than enough information about myself and the Jewish Messiah to give you a good six months worth of study (or more). When you finish up on that; then give me a hollar. Until then...

peepnklown · Apr 14, 2006

chokmah said:
Hope you're doing well.

I am; trying to get through this last semester.
I know hes a troll; that is why I will continue to expose him. I will continue to show that he will not support his claims.

chokmah · Apr 14, 2006

VonKarman said:
littlelamb:

In 5 pages of a go-nowhere 3-ring circus thread, he still hasn't answered though... lol..

In fact, I think I even saw an outright denial to answer anything. A few of them... lol..

Oh wait - he's real knowledgable in Judaism though.

Must be a secret as to why he's holding back on enlightening us all.

Too funny.

This place is definitely entertaining...

I dare say that peep has more knowledge about your Old Testament than you do.

When you decide to actually have a discussion regarding the JEWISH Messiah; then look him or me up.

Other than that, your post is laughable.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

I dare say that peep has more knowledge about your Old Testament than you do.

When you decide to actually have a discussion regarding the JEWISH Messiah; then look him or me up.

Other than that, your post is laughable.

What religion is peep?

chokmah said:
I haven't addressed you in this thread, and I'm not about to start now. I've given you more than enough information about myself and the Jewish Messiah to give you a good six months worth of study (or more). When you finish up on that; then give me a hollar. Until then...

So who do you think he was during the 20 yrs you were a christian? Here is what you responded to me on the Thread about Daniel 12:

Which type? Pretrib, post-trib, amil, premil, postmil, preterist? I've studied THEM ALL. I was a Christian for 20 years. Take your recommendation to someone less learned on your testament. I know the Christian Scripture very well, and that's why I can dismiss. It's not a light-hearted consideration on my part.

I told you pages back that the Christian interpretation of Daniel 12 is nothing like the Jewish one. You're the one who continued with other varied questions. If you didn't want my input any further; then you shouldn't have addressed me then.

chokmah · Apr 14, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
What religion is peep?

Atheist.

LLoJ said:
So who do you think he was during the 20 yrs you were a christian?

I believed that Jesus was the Christ. Fortunately, for me, G-d has given me grace in my ignorance.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

(Young) Hebrews 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant He is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

What religion is peep?

chokmah said:
Peep is an Atheist.
I believed that Jesus was the Christ. Fortunately, for me, G-d has given me grace in my ignorance.

Hmm. Fortunately for me, God, through His beloved Son Jesus, shed His grace on me also, otherwise I would be with peep before the Lord entered my life.

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) Mark 12:29 and Jesus answered him--`The first of all the commands [is], Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one;

Revelation 2:18 " And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ' These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:............

peepnklown · Apr 14, 2006

Lamb said:
Fortunately for me, God, through His beloved Son Jesus, shed His grace on me also; otherwise I would be with peep before the Lord entered my life.

Lets pretend youre standing before God, and he asked you to list the requirements of the Moshiach, and then supply evidence of Jesus fulfilling them (basically support your claim from post#3).

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

(Young) Hebrews 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant He is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

peepnklown said:
Let’s pretend you’re standing before God, and he asked you to list the requirements of the Moshiach, and then supply evidence of Jesus fulfilling them (basically support your claim from post#3).

I would say "thank you Lord" for opening my eyes to His Words in the OT/OC and NT/OC.

Judah doesn't appear to be in vs 33 of Jeremiah 31. Probably because the Nation of Judah was destroyed by God in the first century except for a remnant as shown in Daniel 12. Christians are welcome to give their view though.

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Jehovah,

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished! [#5055]" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

.......... 33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days,

Revelation 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth." 17 And, the seventh, poured out his bowl upon the air.--And there came forth a loud voice out of the sanctuary, from the throne, saying--It is done/come to pass [#1096]!

(Young) Hebrews 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant He is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more; 2 and I, John, saw the holy city--new Jerusalem--

peepnklown · Apr 14, 2006

Lamb said:
I would say "thank you Lord" for opening my eyes to His Words in the OT/OC and NT/OC.

Now, this is pure comedy, youd even dodge God.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2006

I would say "thank you Lord" for opening my eyes to His Words in the OT/OC and NT/OC.

Judah doesn't appear to be in vs 33 of Jeremiah 31. Probably because the Nation of Judah was destroyed by God in the first century except for a remnant as shown in Daniel 12. Christians are welcome to give their view though.

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Jehovah,

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished! [#5055]" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

.......... 33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days,

Revelation 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth." 17 And, the seventh, poured out his bowl upon the air.--And there came forth a loud voice out of the sanctuary, from the throne, saying--It is done/come to pass [#1096]!

(Young) Hebrews 9:15 And because of this, of a new covenant He is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,

peepnklown said:
Now, this is pure comedy, youd even dodge God.

Nope. Pure Divine fact. If Daniel and Revelation are not the fulfillement of the OT/OC prophecies, then Jesus, Daniel and Paul were indeed False prophets.
Reading and studying Revelation and Daniel is like seeing what Josephus was viewing when the roman army came upon Jerusalem in the first century. Pretty fascinating.

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

The book of revelation is a fulfillment of the Prohets, not the Apostles or Disciples.

Reve 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when he may be about to sound, and the mystery of God may be finished, as He did declare to His own servants, to the prophets.

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