What government plans do you support to reduce abortions?

[GodLovesCats]

Healthy women aborting their healthy offspring is definitely evil and is "of the world." @ChristianForCats I am praying for God to help you to see that the type of abortion that I described above is contrary to his will and that you will change your view.

Be fruitful and multiply
Thou shall not kill
Love your neighbor as yourself
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

On-demand abortion violates ALL of those commandments.

The bold commandments are exactly why I am pro-choice and created this thread, so all you are doing is avoiding the title question - again - in a very dishonest way.

I don't want your prayers because they would be based on a steadfast refusal to accept the facts about girls and women needing government help if they suffer unwanted pregnancies.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Sorry I don't know how to break this up like you did. This new format is confusing to me.

Put the cursor where you want to break it up and press Enter. If you do it by mistake, click on the undo button. It is part of the website upgrade.

As for vocations, we need to be realistic about their pay. I get upset when "news" articles say, "Make six-figures without a college degree" and then list something like airline pilot. Uh yeah, if you are the senior pilot for a 777 or A380, sure. But that pilot has probably been flying for 20 years or more.

I know what you mean. It depends on more than just her major how many years she needs to be in school. I talked to certified dental assistants - one who specializes in crowns, and the one who cleans my teeth - about how much education they needed. What I learned was to be a CDA, your choices are one year of classes to specialize in a certain aspect of dentistry followed by on-the-job training or, to do everything, go to both a regular four-year college and dentistry school. But what I found online is you can take classes at a junior college to become a certified dental assistant. Pregnant women need to learn how to sort out conflicting information before applying for college classes, whether they choose vocational or community college to get a living wage job in two years.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

Put the cursor where you want to break it up and press Enter. If you do it by mistake, click on the undo button. It is part of the website upgrade.

(Thanks, Ill have to try it!) YAY!!!!

I know what you mean. It depends on more than just her major how many years she needs to be in school. I talked to certified dental assistants - one who specializes in crowns, and the one who cleans my teeth - about how much education they needed. What I learned was to be a CDA, your choices are one year of classes specialize in a certain part of dentistry followed byon-the-job training or, to do everything spend go to both a regular four-year college and dentistry school. But what I found online is you can take classes at a junior college to become a certified dental assistant. Pregnant women need to learn how to sort out this conflicting information before applying for college classes, whether they choose vocational or community college to get a living wage job in two years.

This is why I believe that the poverty issue can only be lessened (never "solved") between a mix of government, private sector and non-profits (including faith based charities). My church works with a Virginia organization called PORT (People Offering Resources Together). We have a fellowship hall / gym with a commercial grade kitchen. So we can host and cook for the homeless. Other organizations might be able to provide assistance that we can't. Government resources such as police and emergency responders are probably more aware of homeless people that other groups and be able to direct people.

While I'm pro-life and believe that abortion is sinful, but so is the world that refuses to help those in need or puts on unrealistic conditions. I taught computer usage in the early 2000s for four years at a little vocational school. Most of my students were 20-25 year old single moms so I did get to know them and some of their personal stories. I remember fondly the one woman who had been working as a waitress in a dive bar and finally landed a job as the front desk administrator for a small law firm. I was so happy for her when she came to class in a nice business outfit rather than her normal torn jeans and t-shirt and thanked me for helping her improve her lot in life.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I don't like abortion itself any more than anyone else on Christian Forums, but the Golden Rule and Second Commandment are being violated by everyone who thinks saving the mother's life is the only justifiable reason for her to have one.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I was explaining why we need the government to help. One reason for that is the Catholic Church does not, even when it can. Another is it simply can't help everyone who needs the help they do provide.

What you think you explained was false.

The Catholic Church does not force conversions and never did. Even going back to the Crusades,
the Pope issued a Papal Bull prohibiting forced conversions.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

If the mother knows during pregnancy she can't take care of a baby, she is not killing a child. No, it is absolutely NOT the same thing.

If the mother knows during pregnancy she can't take care of a baby, she is not killing a child. No, it is absolutely NOT the same thing.

If you think saving her own life is the only justifiable reason to have an abortion, you want the government to help her out. What do you want the government to do to help people with unwanted pregnancies?

Again, it is literally impossible to believe only keeping the mother alive justifies having an abortion as long as the government does not provide all the help pregnant girls and women need both before and after childbirth.

So, the unborn child changes to something other than a human life based on what the mother believes?

 

[GodLovesCats]

So, the unborn child changes to something other than a human life based on what the mother believes?

The human life becomes a child at birth. I never implied a human zyygote, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus is not homo sapiens.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The human life becomes a child at birth. I never implied a human zyygote, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus is not homo sapiens.

Life begins at conception.

No one skips this part of the process.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Life begins at conception.

No one skips this part of the process.

Human life is not a child until birth.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Human life is not a child until birth.

Human life is not a child until birth.

Human life begins at conception, scientists and clergy know this.

Your belief is that until ensoulment happens, the unborn is not a human being.

No one knows when ensoulment takes place, but know this. When you were
conceived in your mother's womb, it was you, not something else.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Human life begins at conception, scientists and clergy know this.

Your belief is that until ensoulment happens, the unborn is not a human being.

No one knows when ensoulment takes place, but know this. When you were conceived in your mother's womb, it was you, not something else.

You are continuing to dodge the question. I will not stop asking it until you answer it.

What government programs do you want to help prevent elective abortions?

If you truly believe the only justifiable reason to have an abortion is saving her own life, you want the government to help her and have no reason to ignore the thread title.

 

[Diamond72]

hundreds of thousands of pregnant girls and women need abortions for many justifiable reasons.

There is NO justifiable reason. The solution is to get rid of porn and teach people not to have sex if they do not want to have a baby. Period the end, it is that simple. I know, totally ignorant people have babes. Your question was what the Government can do. They control education so they need to teach purity.

Women often want to have sex the most when they are futile. Even that is what turns the guy on the most. Animals do not need anyone to teach the how to have babies. Clearly, we need to teach pre-puberty girls HOW NOT to have babies and how to avoid getting pregnant. Some churches do this and the government should do it also.

 

[Diamond72]

What government programs do you want to help prevent elective abortions?

You will get the same answer. Get rid of porn on the internet and teach people to save themselves for marriage. This maybe old fashion but it works. There are things that children do not need to be exposed to.

 

[Lost Witness]

You are continuing to dodge the question. I will not stop asking it until you answer it.

What government programs do you want to help prevent elective abortions?

If you truly believe the only justifiable reason to have an abortion is saving her own life, you want the government to help her and have no reason to ignore the thread title.

"Thou shalt not kill"
"Love your neighbor as yourself "
Can't speak for anyone else but I can say with absolute certainty I'm thankful I wasn't aborted as I wasn't a planned pregnancy
Also pretty certain as I don't want to be killed by anyone,
That I shall not " kill"
Those who live by the sword die by the sword.

 

[Diamond72]

Those who pick up the sword die by the sword.

Yep that is what happened to my dad.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You are continuing to dodge the question. I will not stop asking it until you answer it.

What government programs do you want to help prevent elective abortions?

If you truly believe the only justifiable reason to have an abortion is saving her own life, you want the government to help her and have no reason to ignore the thread title.

I haven't dodged anything but disagree with your statements justifying a woman killing her unborn child.

The government programs to reduce abortions first off is, an honest statement on just what an abortion is
which means honest education.

Stop funding Planned Parenthood and funding of abortions.

The government is not responsible for supporting a woman in order to keep her from having
an abortion. Perhaps she should take responsibility for herself along with the father of the
child. Stop providing support when the mother refuses to name who the father is.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I haven't dodged anything but disagree with your statements justifying a woman killing her unborn child.

The government programs to reduce abortions first off is, an honest statement on just what an abortion is which means honest education.

Stop funding Planned Parenthood and funding of abortions.

The government does not fund abortions unless they are done to save the mother's life. Planned Parenthood is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. It provides many services to help prevent abortions and requires counseling before performing an abortion that is medically unnecessary to the mother.

If you want the government to stop funding abortions altogether, you want every pregnant woman with a medical emergency to die. That is pure evil and totally against what Jesus taught.

The government is not responsible for supporting a woman in order to keep her from having an abortion. Perhaps she should take responsibility for herself along with the father of the child. Stop providing support when the mother refuses to name who the father is.

Only the government is financially able to support girls and women in order to prevent them from having abortions.

What you want to do is leave her out in the cold, forcing both the mothers and children to suffer and die because they are unable to take care of themselves. It is what I know Jesus told us not to do. He told us to care for all of the widows and orphans. You want to ignore all the people who would are like widows and orphans, even though the child's father is still living.

 

[Not of the World]

Planned Parenthood is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. It provides many services...

Do you have any opinion on them allegedly selling the parts of the babies that they killed?

 

[Not of the World]

The most frustrating part of discussing abortion with people who totally oppose it except to save the mother's life is when challenged, they never answer the title question. So I am putting it here hoping all abortion opponents will stop dancing around the extremely obvious and repeatedly proven fact that without a lot of help from the government, hundreds of thousands of pregnant girls and women need abortions for many justifiable reasons. It is literally impossible to oppose both abortion and all government programs that can prevent most of them unless you happen to be a misogynist whose real intention is to control women, which I am sure no Christians are because they believe in love.

One reason I am a Democrat is I want the number of abortions to drop. I want all of the reasons many girls and women suffer psychologically, physically, and socially during their unwanted pregnancies to nearly disappear. I also want the reasons women who wanted babies, but suddenly find themselves unable to care for them, to be gone. Only the federal and blue state governments can do that for them.

So, what do you want the federal government to do to help pregnant girls and women who lack the ability and resources to carry their unborn babies for nine months and take care of them for the next 20 years? What would be your plan if you were a politician? Would you prefer they get all their help from states or the federal government? Keep in mind we are not talking about crisis pregnancy centers here because they have very limited resources and, as Catholic Church-based organizations, will do nothing for non-Christians who need help. It truly is the government or nothing, no matter how she got pregnant or why she is considering abortion.

Do you believe that those who are aborted have souls? I ask because some believe that the soul enters the body at birth. I don't share that view, by the way.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Do you have any opinion on them allegedly selling the parts of the babies that they killed?

I know for a fact they never did that. The allegation was a lie made up by anti-cohicers just to push their own "pro-life" agendas to avoid admitting their real goal is to control women. The claim was debunked years ago by totally neutral investigators.

Think about who reports stuff like this. Only evangelical Christian-based and far-right fake news sources made these bogus claims.