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What GOP Leaders deem wasteful in Senate stimulus bill

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/gop.stimulus.worries/index.html

1. $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.
If the project is really inefficient than, fine. I think it should be revisted though.

2-6 should be gone.

7...I would support subsidizing bus passes for federal employees.

8. $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.
This one should stay. STD's cost the country money. OTOH, prevention efforts by the gov need to be regulated. There's the potential for inappropriate spending.

9. $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.
I'm not sure why anyone would be against this one. There are definate connections between leaky maneur lagoons, polluted waterways, etc in rural areas and cancers that cost soceity big bucks.

10. $125 million for the Washington sewer system.
Same as above as well as contributing to job creation.

11 & 12 out. I fully support the census, it's needed, but I'm weary of wasteful spending.

13. $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
Out. The gov should tax cigs 10-20 bucks per pack.

14. $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.

15 - out

16. $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
This should be included under another name rather than stimulus. Money well spent though imo.

17. $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.

18. $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.

19. $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.
Wouldn't this lead to job creation and green research?

20. $500 million for state and local fire stations.

21. $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.

22. $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.
Same as 16...This should be included under another name rather than stimulus. Money well spent though imo.

23, 24, 25, 26, 27 - out

28. $850 million for Amtrak.
What's this one about?

29. $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
Same answer as 16.

30, 31 - out.

32. $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.
Same as 19...Wouldn't this lead to job creation and green research?

So, are they going to leave the 15k in for home buyers?
 
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I think both sides of the aisle as well as the populas in general seem to understand the merit of a stimulus package. The argument is about contents. .
This is a meaningless statement. Both sides of the aisle and the populus in general thought our current financial system, fannie, freddie and the real estate boom were all good things. They have been proven horribly wrong.

I gave specfic reasons why it is not good you reply with 'well everyone thinks its good.


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SNOPES is your friend.
read the article you linked. He's involved in the suit and the suit was about redlining, as I stated. The snopes site just set up a false canard about the suit that obama was in a suit to 'force banks to lend to poor people'.
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I cant believe that one of the first things to be pared down(alot) would not be the bloated defense budget. Close overseas bases (lets face it, neo colonialism is doomed), and allocate money to retrain/rehabilitate soldiers. And what are your wars costing per month??
 
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This is a meaningless statement. Both sides of the aisle and the populus in general thought our current financial system, fannie, freddie and the real estate boom were all good things. They have been proven horribly wrong.

I gave specfic reasons why it is not good you reply with 'well everyone thinks its good.
Hasty generalization.

The reason why you say it's not a good thing is because of the deficit. Given past reasons why we went deficit spending I personally would rather pay for this debt to put people back to work given a trend of 13 months in a row of job loss, then the past tax cut budgets paid for by deficit spending.
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read the article you linked. He's involved in the suit and the suit was about redlining, as I stated. The snopes site just set up a false canard about the suit that obama was in a suit to 'force banks to lend to poor people'.
LOL, redlining against those who have the same credit ratings and means as those getting loans had nothing to do with deregulation.
 
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I can't, I simply can't, believe that American Republican politicians, most of whom are highly educated, are unable to grasp the concept that new, sustainable technologies create new, sustainable careers. Not just jobs, careers.

Money spent towards America safer would reduce medical costs, allowing more money to be spent or even saved.

Some of the stuff is pork. Some of it really could create positive change in the American economy.
 
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I can't, I simply can't, believe that American Republican politicians, most of whom are highly educated, are unable to grasp the concept that new, sustainable technologies create new, sustainable careers. Not just jobs, careers.

Money spent towards America safer would reduce medical costs, allowing more money to be spent or even saved.

Some of the stuff is pork. Some of it really could create positive change in the American economy.
Great! Let's find all those "somes", strip out the rest of the crap, and pass it. Why are we rushing to pass a bill that almost everyone knows is stuffed with pork because of fear? Didn't FDR say that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?
 
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Hasty generalization.

The reason why you say it's not a good thing is because of the deficit.
no, you didn't listen to what i said. You essentially defended it by simply saying that 'everyone's for it'. I have explained whyit won't work in previous posts.
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LOL, redlining against those who have the same credit ratings and means as those getting loans had nothing to do with deregulation.
No. You are not reading carefully enough.
Case Summary
Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and 42 U.S.C. 1981, 1982. Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. Plaintiffs sought injunctiverelief, actual damages, and punitive damages.
intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America’s financial institutions.

The Woods Fund report makes it clear Obama was fully aware of the intimidation tactics used by ACORN’s Madeline Talbott in her pioneering efforts to force banks to suspend their usual credit standards.Yet he supported Talbott in every conceivable way. He trained her personal staff and other aspiring ACORN leaders, he consulted with her extensively, and he arranged a major boost in foundation funding for her efforts.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0

ACORN - whom Obama did work with and sued with, DID push for lower mortgage standards.
why I have to keep looking up things and quoting them? Because you're not reading them?

I can't, I simply can't, believe that American Republican politicians, most of whom are highly educated, are unable to grasp the concept that new, sustainable technologies create new, sustainable careers. Not just jobs, careers.

And what % of this stimulus is that? And even then, is earmarked for interest groups and ethnic activists?

One also must factor in the level of corruption. I submit that the US , particularly Washington is at an all time high level of corruption, the type usually seen at the end of empire.

Ever been to some government run park where the food is so lousy and you wonder why? Its because there's skimming, corruption and pay offs going on.

Ever seen how horrible looking and bland federal buildings are, that often lack the most basic of services? again, because corruption is going on - the buildings often cost far more than private sector ones.

Have you heard about soldiers in Iraq lacking basic body armor or worse still, getting substandard ones, when contractors are making millions?

That's the state of Washington today. It didn't 'change' with Obama, it just got WORSE, he is the product of one of the most corrupt machines in the country. The media and his cult like supporters refuse to recognize this. Which is going to make things worse. At least if McCain were elected you'd be a bit more judicious and healthly skeptical. McCain expanding troops - bad - Obama - wrapping up the war on the terror.
 
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Speaking of pork.

My son just got back from Iraq (Air Force) and he told me the lady who handed out towels at the gym was paid over 100K a year. Dangerous job, I'm sure. My point is, we've been conditioned by the last administration to believe that not giving a blank check to the military is unpatriotic. Folks, as a 23 year army veteran, I can tell you first hand, the military wastes money. I benefited from it, and still do, but spending got out of hand in the last administration because of a war where we gave the military unlimited funds and no one dared question how they spent it. Ron Paul said recently that the GOP have now become "born again fiscal conservatives" as they tear apart the stimulus bill. Had they questioned some of the expenditures made during the Bush administration, especially regarding defense, with such fervor and unity, perhaps we wouldn't have the deficit we have today. But they probably would have been run out of office for not "supporting the troops."
 
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Speaking of pork.

My son just got back from Iraq (Air Force) and he told me the lady who handed out towels at the gym was paid over 100K a year. Dangerous job, I'm sure. My point is, we've been conditioned by the last administration to believe that not giving a blank check to the military is unpatriotic. Folks, as a 23 year army veteran, I can tell you first hand, the military wastes money. I benefited from it, and still do, but spending got out of hand in the last administration because of a war where we gave the military unlimited funds and no one dared question how they spent it. Ron Paul said recently that the GOP have now become "born again fiscal conservatives" as they tear apart the stimulus bill. Had they questioned some of the expenditures made during the Bush administration, especially regarding defense, with such fervor and unity, perhaps we wouldn't have the deficit we have today. But they probably would have been run out of office for not "supporting the troops."

We agree for once. Conservatives did lose their way in terms of fiscal conservatism..I am hoping we can find our way back before it's too late.
 
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no, you didn't listen to what i said. You essentially defended it by simply saying that 'everyone's for it'. I have explained whyit won't work in previous posts.
Yes everyone is for some kind of stimulus package. What is a logical fallacy is to assume just because people thought deregulating mortgage loans was a good thing, does not immediate mean they are also wrong about the package. If it creates demand, jobs, wages, and future spending then it is stimulating the economy.

....but I would love to hear why you think it won't work and what economic criterion you established as a threshold of "working."
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No. You are not reading carefully enough.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0

ACORN - whom Obama did work with and sued with, DID push for lower mortgage standards.
why I have to keep looking up things and quoting them? Because you're not reading them?

LOL, you went from this, "was literally one of the lawyers who sued citibank about minority lending." to sourcing a story that makes:

"The Woods Fund report makes it clear Obama was fully aware of the intimidation tactics used by ACORN’s Madeline Talbott in her pioneering efforts to force banks to suspend their usual credit standards.Yet he supported Talbott in every conceivable way. He trained her personal staff and other aspiring ACORN leaders, he consulted with her extensively, and he arranged a major boost in foundation funding for her efforts."

...an inference that he was aware of tactics, moreover he trained her staff but it does not say in what capacity This is from TIME:

"In Chicago in 1992, Obama headed the Project Vote campaign — an organization affiliated with ACORN — which registered 150,000 voters on the city's the south side and helped elect Carol Moseley Braun, the country's first female African-American Senator. As an attorney, Obama worked on the team of lawyers that represented ACORN in a 1995 lawsuit in which it accused the state of Illinois of violating federal polling laws, and spoke at two leadership training sessions for ACORN employees a few years later."

.....but yet that was a legitimate case of redlining which sueing the bank is the appropiate thing to do.

But hey Dude.....stay away from the NY Post, it's a rag.

HERE; FACTCHECK


....I suggest you read, "careful enough."
 
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The Obama Depression will look nothing like the Bush recession.

The Dems lost the game of musical chairs. The constructvists are owning THE ECONOMY at precisely the wrong time.

I am not arguing that this means anything good for the GOP in two years. I am arguing that this is going to make constructivism look bad in 2010, which pretty much splashes poo on our entire out of control meddling 'do something' federal government, GOP and Democrats alike. That fickle misled mob, currently distracted away from the suburbs of DC to look only at the latest public trough feeders, are soon enough going to figure it out. They are expecting '24' like government efficiency, and they are going to get FEMA.

So, what should the tribe be doing? Exactly 180 degrees opposite what it is publicly and undeniably.

Let failure fail, let success succeed. Failure cannot be subsidized into success. Worse, success can't be ridden to subsidize failure. Human nature will not permit that, one way or the other. Speeches aren't enough to sustain a vote buying 'free-for-some'. What is going to follow all this frantic got to do something pump priming is going to be a resounding thud. There are no volunteers to be ridden when our tribal leaders are intent on stampeding the herd off the side of a cliff.

Do all that with Hayek's 'safety net', but a 'safety net' is nothing like handing AGI more money than JFK had to run his entire federal budget.

But no. So we'll try it this way, until the wheels do fall off, which they will, guaranteed.

Still plenty of carcass left, but hurry, it is going fast.

Couldn't happen to a nicer tribe.
 
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