What Generation is Jesus referring to?

[ChubbyCherub]

In some scriptures (I don't know if there are more, I read these myself from the bible today which is a NIV):

• Matthew 24:34 Matthew 24:34 ESV - Truly, I say to you, this… | Biblia
• Matthew 16:28 Matthew 16:28 ESV - Truly, I say to you, there… | Biblia

Jesus mentions that the things He speaks of will come to pass before those standing with Him, or of the generation, will pass.

Can someone explain what He was saying was going to happen and what He meant by 'generation'?

Thanks as always, CC

 

[Maria Billingsley]

In some scriptures (I don't know if there are more, I read these myself from the bible today which is a NIV):

• Matthew 24:34 Matthew 24:34 ESV - Truly, I say to you, this… | Biblia
• Matthew 16:28 Matthew 16:28 ESV - Truly, I say to you, there… | Biblia

Jesus mentions that the things He speaks of will come to pass before those standing with Him, or of the generation, will pass.

Can someone explain what He was saying was going to happen and what He meant by 'generation'?

Thanks as always, CC

My understanding, He was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
The prophetic pattern throughout the Old Testament is that God executes judgment through war and destruction. Interpreting Jesus's statement, "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom" , in light of the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem ties the New Testament prophecy directly to this type of judgement.
Blessings

 

[ChubbyCherub]

My understanding, He was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
The prophetic pattern throughout the Old Testament is that God executes judgment through war and destruction. Interpreting Jesus's statement, "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom" , in light of the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem ties the New Testament prophecy directly to this type of judgement.
Blessings

Thank you very much!

So, am I right in thinking that Jesus will return?

I have been reading things on Tik Tok suggesting He's already returned for the 2nd time and it's got my head all over the place.

I have to miss church today because I literally can't walk very far due to overtraining in the gym the last couple of days. I'm very sad about that since I won't have anyone to talk to and I don't even know how to defend myself when I say, "I saw this on Tik Tok," without sounding crazy.

Thanks x

 

[Matt5]

A lot of stuff surrounding the return of Jesus is not literal. Matthew 13:13 explains why the confusing language. Jesus explains why he uses parables, but this applies to confusing language about his return. Basically, the truth is hidden because people won't believe it. Although, some language is easier to understand that others.

Concerning your verses:

Take all the people on the planet that see the beginning sign. They will not all die out before Jesus returns. That's probably something like 100 years.

If the beginning sign of the end-times is the creation of Israel in 1948, then Jesus should return by about 2050 or soon.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Thank you very much!

So, am I right in thinking that Jesus will return?

I have been reading things on Tik Tok suggesting He's already returned for the 2nd time and it's got my head all over the place.

I have to miss church today because I literally can't walk very far due to overtraining in the gym the last couple of days. I'm very sad about that since I won't have anyone to talk to and I don't even know how to defend myself when I say, "I saw this on Tik Tok," without sounding crazy.

Thanks x

What you are being exposed to is full Preterism. It is a very fringe view , although gaining some traction it is not to be understood as biblically sound doctrine. . It is not the christian world view so if I were you , I would delete that tiktok channel.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

A lot of stuff surrounding the return of Jesus is not literal. Matthew 13:13 explains why the confusing language. Jesus explains why he uses parables, but this applies to confusing language about his return. Basically, the truth is hidden because people won't believe it. Although, some language is easier to understand that others.

Concerning your verses:

Take all the people on the planet that see the beginning sign. They will not all die out before Jesus returns. That's probably something like 100 years.

If the beginning sign of the end-times is the creation of Israel in 1948, then Jesus should return by about 2050 or soon.

It's not hidden from me!
“He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

 

[d taylor]

In some scriptures (I don't know if there are more, I read these myself from the bible today which is a NIV):

• Matthew 24:34 Matthew 24:34 ESV - Truly, I say to you, this… | Biblia
• Matthew 16:28 Matthew 16:28 ESV - Truly, I say to you, there… | Biblia

Jesus mentions that the things He speaks of will come to pass before those standing with Him, or of the generation, will pass.

Can someone explain what He was saying was going to happen and what He meant by 'generation'?

Thanks as always, CC

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These verses are not speaking about the same event the first verse in Matthew 24 is addressing the generation alive when Jesus returns. The second is addressing the transfiguration in the next chapter 17

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Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
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Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

 

[ChubbyCherub]

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These verses are not speaking about the same event the first verse in Matthew 24 is addressing the generation alive when Jesus returns. The second is addressing the transfiguration in the next chapter 17

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Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
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Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Thank you.

So, is the generation alive when Jesus returns a future generation or the generation he was addressing at the time?

 

[d taylor]

Thank you.

So, is the generation alive when Jesus returns a future generation or the generation he was addressing at the time?

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Future, as Jesus just states this generation. He does not say when addressing His audience your generation.
Jesus also states till all these things take place. Which are the thing Jesus has been speaking about

For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
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“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

@ChubbyCherub ....Well , now you have two completely different interpretations.

 

[ChubbyCherub]

@ChubbyCherub ....Well , now you have two completely different interpretations.

Yes, which is always the problem and never a solution.

 

[jacks]

This is an excellent question. One that is very difficult to get a clear answer on.
You may try praying on it. I did and "received" an answer of: I am with you now. Just come to me and take my hand.
Making me think that every generation has the ability to see the coming of the Lord.

Yes, I know, you have three completely different interpretations.

 

[DragonFox91]

'This generation' refers to the generation that sees those things.

Notice how verse 14 says it will be preached to the whole world. The events described verse 15 to the verse in question wouldn't be able to happen until it's preached to the whole world.

Other interpretations don't make sense b/c verse 27 - 30 talks about the 2nd Coming

 

[JosephZ]

Notice how verse 14 says it will be preached to the whole world. The events described verse 15 to the verse in question wouldn't be able to happen until it's preached to the whole world.

Based on Paul's writings, wouldn't you say that has already been accomplished?

“[the Gospel] which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth.” (Colossians 1:6)

“If you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.” (Colossians 1:23)

“Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ... ...according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;” (Romans 16:25-26)

 

[Zceptre]

Ooo, ooo, me, pick me...

This generation. We are going home soon!

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I would like to point out that Jesus Christ of Nazareth said, "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom" (Matthew 16:28, NKJV). These people were physically standing there. This specific assurance to some of His contemporary hearers makes the Futurist view difficult to reconcile, as it suggests the fulfillment of the kingdom's arrival was imminent for that first-century group, unlike the Partial Preterist view which acknowledges an early fulfillment in A.D. 70 actually within that generation , like He said.
But let's not stop there. Historically, when " this generation " is used, it always pertained to the contemporary audience. Here are some examples:

-"Then the LORD said to Noah, 'Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.'" (Genesis 7:1)

“Surely not one of these men of this evil generation shall see that good land, of which I swore to give to your fathers, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun.” Deuteronomy 1:35

Now let's look at the wording for a future generation. The most common ways the Bible refers to a generation that will exist in the future are. "a generation to come" or "the next generation"", These phrases clearly look forward, signifying a group of people who will live later.

* Psalm 78:4 (NKJV): "We will not hide them from their children, telling to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, And His strength and His wonderful works that He has done."
* Psalm 102:18 (NKJV): "Let this be recorded for a generation to come, so that a people yet to be created may praise the LORD."

In conclusion:
The phrase "this generation" means only the people standing there with Jesus, receiving a prophecy of an imminent judgment , like the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. This limits the prophecy to their lifetime and has no correlation with the future. The New Testament would use the term "age to come" for distant events and generations rather than that generation, past or this generation current.

Thanks for letting me share!

 

[A New Dawn]

My understanding, He was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
The prophetic pattern throughout the Old Testament is that God executes judgment through war and destruction. Interpreting Jesus's statement, "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom" , in light of the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem ties the New Testament prophecy directly to this type of judgement.
Blessings

But who, of that generation, did not taste death? The Son of Man has not returned with his kingdom yet and the temple was destroyed almost 2000 years ago. The only person I can think of MIGHT be the apostle John, and one can only assume that from a discussion Jesus had with a different disciple.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

But who, of that generation, did not taste death? The Son of Man has not returned with his kingdom yet and the temple was destroyed almost 2000 years ago. The only person I can think of MIGHT be the apostle John, and one can only assume that from a discussion Jesus had with a different disciple.

John of Patmos? Less than 40 years passed so I image many were still alive to witness the destruction of the Temple. Please read my fist post . It reconciles your questions.

BTW, I am not a Futurist.

 

[A New Dawn]

John of Patmos? Less than 40 years passed so I image many were still alive to witness the destruction of the Temple. Please read my fist post . It reconciles your questions.

BTW, I am not a Futurist.

If your first post reconciled my question, I would not be asking it.

His prophecy stated that some in that generation would not taste death till they see the Son of Man return with his kingdom. The Son of Man has NOT returned with his kingdom, so who in that generation is still alive?

I might also point out that full preterm is a controversial Christian theology and cannot be discussed in this forum.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

If your first post reconciled my question, I would not be asking it.

His prophecy stated that some in that generation would not taste death till they see the Son of Man return with his kingdom. The Son of Man has NOT returned with his kingdom, so who in that generation is still alive?

I might also point out that full preterm is a controversial Christian theology and cannot be discussed in this forum.

Oh sorry, that was a different thread. This is how " the Son of Man return with His Kingdom " is reconciled for me.

The coming of the Son of Man often signifies judgment executed through one earthly power (like the Roman Empire) upon another (the Jewish Nation, specifically Jerusalem), as seen in the 70 AD destruction of the Temple. Into the Old Testament judgment is the same however the "Day of the LORD" is used to describe God's judgment as the language used for warfare and destruction against nations or even Israel itself.

BTW. I still believe in the " last day" judgment in the future.