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What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'

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Anti-Feminism is the core guiding principle of GamerGate. It has nothing to do with video games, ethics, or journalism.
That's not entirely wrong, but hardly a major issue. Given the behaviour of much of modern feminism, antifeminism is not de facto unethical. Opposing feminism in places is a moral necessity. Particularly given its hostility to criticism.

Modern feminism is Christianity all over again. Thou shalt not question.
 
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A United Ireland is also the core guiding principle of the IRA.
Good point. A better comparison would be - saying anyone who wants a united Ireland must be a terrorist is rather like assuming anyone concerned about the excesses of modern feminism must be part of a hate movement.

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That's not entirely wrong, but hardly a major issue. Given the behaviour of much of modern feminism, antifeminism is not de facto unethical. Opposing it in places is a moral necessity. Particularly given its hostility to criticism.

Modern feminism is Christianity all over again. Thou shalt not question.
I actually think it has more in common with Scientology.
 
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And this is part of why Trump won.

Progressives preach and moralise and yet can't go two minutes without tripping up over their own hypocrisy, yet still think they can demand equality.

You shrieked and shrieked for years about how boobs in a video game were sexist, or how challenging some sophomoric YouTube critic was sexist.

Then when America was faced with an actual sexist and racist monster, noone listened. You cried wolf too many times.

The only thing you could do now that is worse is to continue on the exact same path without having learned a darn thing.

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I actually think it has more in common with Scientology.
Noone is going to tell me I can't criticise something ever again after I escaped from Christianity, I will tell you that much.

Ditto any sort of sexuality shaming. And modern feminism is utterly terrified of conventional male sexuality.

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Fine =/= legal.
And yet in this case it does. If there was a crime committed there would have been an arrest.

This was a 2 year investigation, absolutly nothing came from it but the wasted time of FBI investigators and wasted public funds.
 
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Organisation =\= hashtag.

And let's apply your same standards to anti-Gamergaters. Or Clinton supporters. Or Sanders supporters.

Oh wait. It never works that way. It never has.

Of course not, A-GG can rally around an admitted pedophile and that's ok apparently. It somehow doesn't color the whole a-gg group.
 
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Oh...they originated for standing up against the harassment of women and feminists. I guess that cunning plan of your to apply the same standards didn't work out the way you wanted, did it?

I had to laugh at this, I remember one of Sarkesians videos where she was whining about "harassment" and showed pictures of her "top harassers".

All of the people pictured were people who went through her videos and refuted her arguments.

Refuting a feminist argument = harassment now.

Remember, we are to "Listen and Believe".
 
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Anti-Feminism is the core guiding principle of GamerGate. It has nothing to do with video games, ethics, or journalism.

Getting cops killed is the core guiding principle of BLM.

Right?
 
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I had to laugh at this, I remember one of Sarkesians videos where she was whining about "harassment" and showed pictures of her "top harassers".

All of the people pictured were people who went through her videos and refuted her arguments.

Refuting a feminist argument = harassment now.

Remember, we are to "Listen and Believe".

Amazing how fraudulent modern feminism is.

Like the amount of traditional gender roles/expressions being proudly displayed is sickening.

Such a joke.
 
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Ironically it really is thanks to modern feminism that I do believe biological gender roles are a thing. Before then, I thought the mind was a clean slate and that everything had to do with society/nurture. I mean feminism greatly angers me, but psychological the interaction of female and male feminists is extremely interesting and something that needs to be studied.

I remember Gad Saad saying he'd love if there were a test to see if some of the more professional sjw victims had BPD. Of course someone trying to actively pursue knowledge and information can find their careers jeopardized. I do think at least BPD symptoms are right on the money.

The fact that the hysterical aspect of feminism has cultivated largely among the millennial generation is interesting. One of the first generations to really be truly fed that women were equal and just as capable as men and act accordingly. I think many women cannot take this and seek solace into reverting back to sexist gender roles. Hence all the outrageous damsel in distress going on and blatant emotional masochism. Part of them yearns to feel feminine in this increasingly equal society. Protected, pitied.. etc.

Men are more and more egalitarian and I think many women hold a grudge over that. Hence the hypocritical feminism being shoved down young men's throats today. Feminism that is ironically pretty regressive and backwards. Women victims, men victimizers. Heforshe. Men protect the damsel women!

Many millennial women want to feel coddled, like the previous generations did with their women. And well, I guess some men want to feel manly and be the coddler.

As I say. I want women to have equality whether or not they want it themselves, lol.
 
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@Gadarene, what do you mean by conventional male sexuality?

('Cause I don't understand your point, unless you're linking male sexuality with power in some way).
 
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What are your thoughts about the American Nazi Party? Do you dislike them because of their origins? What about the KKK? Should we criticize them because of their origins, or should we give them a pass because they just "attract some crazies"?

If trying to tie your opponents to the Nazis and the KKK didn't work the first fifty times you tried, why do you think it will work on the fifty-first?
 
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If trying to tie your opponents to the Nazis and the KKK didn't work the first fifty times you tried, why do you think it will work on the fifty-first?
It will work eventually. When you fall off the bike you gotta get back on until you are able to actually ride it.

Keep the Nazi and KKK comparisons coming. You can do it :oldthumbsup:.
 
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And yet in this case it does. If there was a crime committed there would have been an arrest.

This was a 2 year investigation, absolutly nothing came from it but the wasted time of FBI investigators and wasted public funds.

I disagree. Again, just because its not criminal behaviour, doesn't mean that behaviour is "fine".

I think that behaviour that results in an FBI investigation, even if no charges are ever laid, is not fine.

I think that doxxing, targeted 24/7 harassment and the attempted hounding of certain individuals off social media, aren't fine.

I think that behaviour that lead to Patreon, the IGDA and Twitter to issue denouncements, is not fine.

I think that death threats, shooting threats, bomb threats and SWATting are not fine.

I don't think this is fine:

https://i0.wp.com/www.gameobjective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/letter2.png

Do you?
 
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If trying to tie your opponents to the Nazis and the KKK didn't work the first fifty times you tried, why do you think it will work on the fifty-first?
What are your thoughts about the American Nazi Party? Do you dislike them because of their origins? What about the KKK? Should we criticize them because of their origins, or should we give them a pass because they just "attract some crazies"?

Would you prefer comparisons to the IRA or Scientology?

A United Ireland is also the core guiding principle of the IRA.
I actually think it has more in common with Scientology.
 
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@Gadarene, what do you mean by conventional male sexuality?

('Cause I don't understand your point, unless you're linking male sexuality with power in some way).

Hooo boy. Where to start.

Here's what I'm talking about when I say feminists are terrified of conventional male sexuality.

The constant barracking of male sexual preference for particular body types (hello Anita!) while the same is barely done to women. Even though we have done virtually nothing by comparison to disestablish conventional male beauty norms, and women's reinforcement of them, the way we have with conventional female beauty norms - but again, this seems to be one of those weird circumstances where the sorts of social dynamics presumed to apply to men magically don't to women? I suppose women are just better than men or something ^_^
Women's Standards Of Attractiveness Are As Unrealistic As Men's

There's their whole inconsistent attitude to sexual material that is consumed primarily by men as opposed to women.

When men like perfectly legal, consensual porn, they're still derided as sad creeps that are (somehow or other) harming women. Women's erotica on the other hand can be legally purchased containing tales of incest, child rape and bestiality - and not a peep. And to remind everyone, these people would have you believe we live in a culture where one rape joke reinforces a "rape culture", but women getting off to stories of children being abused and people profiting from the sale of such is apparently not objectionable in the same way.

Men like porn, and it's "toxic masculinity" - an inference made about being male. Women clear bookshops out of Fifty Shades, a story where a woman debases herself for a conventionally attractive billionaire? Nope nope nope, can't infer anything negative from that about women at all, you misogynist.

When men like magazines that depict one preferred body type but saying nothing at all about other body types? Harmful to women! "Lad culture"! Modesty-bag these magazines now! Meanwhile these censored magazines sit next to uncovered gossip rags consumed almost entirely by women, that actively demean female celebrities on their covers and in their pages for having a less-than-conventional appearance. Not a peep about covering those up or removing them from sale.

Men are constantly told off for "objectifying" women, a meaningless term that usually tends to mean "looking at them, how dare they", while feminist writers usually defend their ogling of male celebrities.

The constantly moving goalposts of where it is and isn't acceptable to speak to a woman you like, seemingly being decided on behalf of all women by the most neurotic and mean-spirited of women (who usually happen to be feminist), e.g.:

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/pokemon-go-not-invitation-talk-street/

And without wishing to rehash an old topic excessively, the rationalisation of sheer, irrational terror of men simply being around you in public and calling it empowerment. The stoking of rape hysteria to fever pitch, while claiming to be sex-positive!

If anything, feminists seem to prefer completely unconventionally masculine men dictating to the vast majority of conventionally masculine men how masculinity should be.

E.g.:

Grayson Perry is wrong – men need masculine heroes like Bear Grylls

It's time to do away with the concept of 'manhood' altogether | Zach Stafford

Perry and Stafford are welcome to express themselves any way they like, but the fact remains that conventional masculinity isn't toxic to the point where it needs to be radically overhauled. It simply needs a little tweaking, and people - especially feminists - need to start listening more and judging less. Someone like Perry, a crossdressing potter and performer, simply isn't representative of how the vast majority of men live their lives. I have no idea why he is constantly held up as some kind of expert on the matter, but he was at a feminist-run festival in London on masculinity some years back.

Men do not need to remove themselves from the expectations of conventional masculinity only to be imprisoned by the expectations feminists have for their idea of what masculinity should be.
 
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"Over 9000 bombs"

lol

i also wonder if this would-be "bomber" would have you know that he graduated top of his class in the Navy Seals, and he's been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda
 
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