What evolution does NOT explain

[Lonnie]

"I don't know whether the universe has a cause and neither do you. It is, however, completely stupid and illogical to attempt to give credit to some random diety that has no evidence of it's existance when you clearly don't have a clue whether there is a cause at all." ~ Big Rob

If the universe has a beginning(and it is scientificly accurate to believe so, and there are many, many books and published materials about it that you could look up and read if you dont believe me) then it had a cause(Law of Causality, one of the most important laws in science). So yes, I know the universe has a cause.

It is just that atheists believe nothing caused the universe, and theists, believe that God Caused the universe.

 

[Big Rob]

If the universe has a beginning(and it is scientificly accurate to believe so, and there are many, many books and published materials about it) then it had a cause(Law of Causality, one of the main Laws of science). So yes, I know the universe has a cause. It is just that atheist believe nothing caused the universe, and theists, believe that God Caused the universe.

No. We haven't a clue what was happening before Planck time, because the laws of physics break down at that time. There is no law of causality. Period. End of Story.

 

[Lonnie]

"There is no law of causality" ~ Big Rob

The law of Causality, as far as I understand it, states that every effect has a cause.

Do you agree that every effect has a cause? If not, please explain why, and how that works.

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Oops, I guess you meant before the universe was created, where the laws of time, gravity, physics, ect, do not exist.

 

[Big Rob]

"There is no law of causality" ~ Big Rob

The law of Causality, as far as I understand it, states that every effect has a cause.

Do you agree that every effect has a cause? If not, please explain why, and how that works.

Read up on Quantum mechanics. Things happen uncaused all the time. Look it up. The interweb has tons of information.

Oh, and use the quote button.

 

[Edx]

"Do you agree that every effect has a cause? If not, please explain why, and how that works.

Surely it depends on what you define as a "cause".

Personally i think the universe did have cauce, but I dont leap from there to creator to god to Bible-god.

Ed

 

[Lonnie]

(it is tough to get a staight answer out of you...)

So you believe that effects can exists without cause. Correct?

 

[Lonnie]

What I mean by "cause":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

 

[Big Rob]

(it is tough to get a staight answer out of you...)

So you believe that effects can exists without cause. Correct?

Sometimes, yes. It's not a belief, though.

 

[Edx]

(it is tough to get a staight answer out of you...)

So you believe that effects can exists without cause. Correct?

It depends on what level. I also consider Quantum Mechanics. But at this present moment I think that however the universe did form I would call it a cause, so yes I think the universe had a cause.

But like I said, a cause is one thing but a creator is something else.

 

[Lonnie]

Can you please explain an effect, without an cause?

Any examples you could tell us?

Thank you

(sorry I needed to fix that, there was a mistake)

 

[Edx]

Can you please explain how something could happen, without an effect?

Any examples you could tell us?

I havent studied Quantum Mechanics so I will let someone else comment on that front.

Why wont you comment on my point? Ive already told you I think the universe formed in what could be described as a having cause. But its a big leap to then move from cause to creator.

 

[Lonnie]

"But its a big leapr to then move from cause to creation."

Ok, lets talk about that in another topic/thread, and it probably should be in GA.

 

[Lucretius]

Can you please explain an effect, without an cause?

Any examples you could tell us?

Thank you

(sorry I needed to fix that, there was a mistake)

Appearance of Virtual Particle Pairs

Time isn't necessary for cause.

http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/2000-05/msg0025054.html

 

[Edx]

Ok, lets talk about that in another topic/thread, and it probably should be in GA.

Why? A cause doesnt suggest a designer. Snowflakes have causes but they dont have small designer pixies that create them in the clouds.

 

[JohnR7]

Why? A cause doesnt suggest a designer. Snowflakes have causes but they dont have small designer pixies that create them in the clouds.

A snow flake is crystalized h2o and they have a very unique pattern. So if there is no designer than at least there sure is a design. I guess you can say that the natural laws are the designer, and just leave it unknown as to where the natural laws came from.

 

[3Amig(o)s]

False dichotomy. There are an infinite number of other choices, we are only one of them.

REALLY!? PROVE IT... SHOW ME ANOTHER WAY, WILL YA? WORK OUT ALL THE MATH, FIGURE OUT ALL THE ELEMENTS, ALL THE DEMENTIONS, ALL THE PHYSICS, THEN MAKE IT OUT OF NOTHING, AND I"LL CALL YOU A GOD! THAT"S WHAT JESUS DID... THAT"S WHY I WORSHIP HIM, AND HIM ALONE.

 

[JohnR7]

Law of Causality implies something before God. So what caused God?

If God was contained by the Universe then He would need a cause, but He is outside of the Universe so He does not need a cause. We are limited by time that only moves in one direction. But God can move in any direction that He wants to move in. He is unhindered and unrestricted by time.

 

[3Amig(o)s]

If God was contained by the Universe then He would need a cause, but He is outside of the Universe so He does not need a cause. We are limited by time that only moves in one direction. But God can move in any direction that He wants to move in. He is unhindered and unrestricted by time.

 

[Lucretius]

If God was contained by the Universe then He would need a cause, but He is outside of the Universe so He does not need a cause. We are limited by time that only moves in one direction. But God can move in any direction that He wants to move in. He is unhindered and unrestricted by time.

This universe is not limited by time moving in one direction. I guess you've never heard of the Fluctuation Theorem. Everything needs a cause. Not everything need time. Even your God needs a cause.

 

[Lucretius]

REALLY!? PROVE IT... SHOW ME ANOTHER WAY, WILL YA? WORK OUT ALL THE MATH, FIGURE OUT ALL THE ELEMENTS, ALL THE DEMENTIONS, ALL THE PHYSICS, THEN MAKE IT OUT OF NOTHING, AND I"LL CALL YOU A GOD! THAT"S WHAT JESUS DID... THAT"S WHY I WORSHIP HIM, AND HIM ALONE.

This is about the most worthless post I've ever read. So, because people don't know everything that necessitates a God? Hah. That's God of the Gaps for you. Jesus didn't "do" any of that stuff. The Bible doesn't even get pi right. pi is not 3.

What evidence do you have of Jesus doing anything? The Bible? The Bible isn't evidence. "Yes it is, it's the word of God." Who says so? "Uh…God does…" Who says God says so? "The Bible."

Circular Logic.

I'm glad you use your lack of understanding as reason to idolize something. That's what people did with monarchs. Have some human beings really not evolved in the mind? Get stuck in the dark ages?