What errors do you think exist within the KJV?

[jalvarez4Jesus]

pascha is a transliteration of the Hebrew Pesach. It's nothing to do with the pagan feast of Ishtar.

Pascha - OrthodoxWiki

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

Go here: ΛΕΞΙΚΌ - LEXICON: Greek-English-Greek dictionary, and type in the translator "pascha" and see what comes up.

 

[1stcenturylady]

It's exactly the same with Luke 17:21. "within you" is clearer as "in the midst of you" or "among you". Strictly speaking, "within them" or "within you" (plural), is, if "them" or "you" is taken to mean "them" or "you" as a collection, not erroneous, but as the natural way of understanding it is "within each one of you/them", rather than "within the area delineated by you/them", "in the midst of" or "among" is a better translation.

But don't you see that is exactly what is wrong? The Holy Spirit was in Moses, but NOT in every other Jew. Only now after Jesus sacrificed Himself for us, that if we accept Him and turn from sin in repentance, that Jesus gives us, each one of us, His Spirit. That is what was wrong with the Jews. They had the law, but not the Holy Spirit to keep it. They only had their weak carnal nature. We, on the other hand, have the power of the Holy Spirit to keep the laws written on our hearts.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Exactly what scripture are you referring to?

I think he was referring to this: For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

 

[DamianWarS]

Don't see a contradiction with this one. There are actually three heavens mentioned in Scripture.

1. Heaven (God's throne).
2. Heaven (Space).
3. Heaven (Sky).

Heaven (singular would more than likely be in reference to space because it is distnict from the Earth; And the sky known as "heaven" would be included with the Earth. Note: The mention God's throne (Heaven) is not in view in Genesis 1 (For nothing is mentioned about it at this point in Scripture).

When the Bible says Heavens in the next chapter with it being plural, it is clarifying that God created both the Heaven (space) and Heaven (sky). So there is no contradiction.

Three Heavens​

The First Heaven:

The first heaven is earth's atmosphere where birds fly (Genesis 1:20, Jeremiah 4:25;34:20,Lamentations 4:19, Zephaniah 1:3). One of the Hebrew words for 'heaven' is shamayim. This same word is translated as 'sky' in the Scripture, as can be seen by comparing Genesis 7:3, "fowls also of the air," with Genesis 7:23, "fowl of the heaven." The word 'sky' and 'heaven' are used interchangeably from the same Hebrew word (Psalm 8:8). So the first heaven is synonymous with 'heights' or 'elevations.'

Here are other examples to illustrate the first heaven. Exodus 19:20 says the Lord was on top of Mount Sinai when he called Moses up there, and God describes Mount Sinai as 'heaven' (Exodus 20:22, Deuteronomy 4:36). Here, everything above the ground is called 'heaven'.

Another example of the first heaven is in Amos 9:1-3, where God states that at the time of this judgment, nobody will be able to flee away (verse 1), even "though they climb up to heaven" (verse 2). This "heaven" is defined in the next verse, verse 3, as climbing to the top of Mount Carmel.

Another example is where the Scripture speaks of the "dew of heaven" (Genesis 27:28,39,Deuteronomy 33:28, Daniel 4:15-33; 5:21). The first heaven, from which dew comes, means the atmosphere, where the clouds and the wind roam. Therefore, everything above the ground is called 'heaven."

Another Hebrew word for the first heaven is 'shachaq.' This same word for heaven (Psalm 89:6,37) is also translated as 'sky' or 'skies' (Deuteronomy 33:26; Job 37:18; Psalm 18:11), and as 'clouds' (Job 35:5; 36:28; Psalm 36:5; 68:34, Pro. 3:20; 8:28).

The Second Heaven:

The second heaven is outer space where the planets and stars exist (Genesis 1:14-17; 15:5;22:17;26:4, Deuteronomy 1:10; 17:3; Psalm 8:3, Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29). Usually the term "host of heaven" or "firmament of the heaven" is used to describe this second heaven.

The Third Heaven:

The third heaven is literally called "the third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12:2. This third heaven is what Christ calls his "Father's house" (John 14:2), and both Christ and the Apostle Paul calls it "paradise" (Luke 23:43, 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7). This is where God and the heavenly sanctuary exist (1 Peter 3:22). This third heaven is also known as the "heaven of heavens" (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27, 2 Chronicles 2:6; 6:18, Nehemiah 9:6, Psalms 148:4), "The heavenly Jerusalem" (Galatians 4: 26; Hebrews 12:22; Revelation 3:12), the "kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 25:1, James 2:5), the "eternal kingdom" (2 Peter 1:11), the "eternal inheritance" (1 Peter. 1:4,Hebrews 9:15), and the "better country" (Hebrews 11:14,16). The fact that there are more than one 'heaven' can be shown by Psalm 115:16, "The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S." There are obviously two different 'heavens' being addressed in this one verse.

Source:
Elijah, Enoch, and Moses
Important Note: Although I quoted part of this article to help explain the three heavens, I do not agree with their interpretation of on Enoch. I believe Enoch was translated or spiritually taken by God and did not see death (as the Scriptures say). So not all the views expressed at this website reflect my views on the Scriptures.

The word is plural both times in Hebrew

 

[Hieronymus]

Actually, it doesn't mix up hell and hades. What is hell? A place of burning torment. What is hades? A place of burning torment (Luke 16:23). Hades is just one of Greek word to describe the same hell.

The confusion is about what is the lake of fire and what where the dead wait for judgement.
Those are not the same.

And why exactly should Deuteronomy 32:8 read "sons of God"?

Because the nations were divided after the tower of Babel, among the members of the divine council, who are gods (small g).
Psalms 82 shows you this didn't work out too well...

 

[Tree of Life]

What errors do you think exist within the KJV?

Please see my other CF thread here on answers to various supposed contradictions in the KJV.
I have a few more answers to supposed contradictions for the KJV I would like to add later.


Anyways, may God bless you;
And may you please be well.

There's a number of textual variants in the Textus Receptus that are very poorly attributed and unlikely to be original.

 

[Hieronymus]

If you don't know why it is an error and or cannot explain it, then how do you know if it really is an error?

Summary of the Deuteronomy Evidence
The LXX of Deuteronomy 32.8-9 and 32.43 both include references to 'sons of God' or 'angels of God'.

The DSS of Deuteronomy 32.8-9 and 32.43 both include references to 'sons of God' or 'gods'.

The MT of Deuteronomy 32.8-9 instead refers to 'sons of Israel', and 32.43 completely lacks references to 'sons of God', 'angels of God', or 'gods'.

While the LXX and the DSS are not identical, they still agree that the original reading of Deuteronomy 32.8-9 read 'sons of God'. The MT represents a minority variant of Deuteronomy 32.8-9, that was probably altered intentionally to '"protect God" or correct theology', that is, it was altered intentionally to remove references to divine beings other than YHWH. This is supported by the MT's more overt alterations to Deuteronomy 32.43, where again the LXX and DSS largely agree that it referenced divine beings.

Altogether, the manuscript evidence for Deuteronomy 32 supports the conclusion that 'sons of God' is the original text of 32.8-9.

The 'Bull El' reading mentioned has a major weakness, in that it is an entirely hypothetical reconstruction, found in no existing variants.

(As for 32.43, Heiser implies via Tigay, one of his sources, that the DSS variant represents the closet form to the original text, with the LXX having added material, and the MT having removed and altered material.)

Circumstantial Supporting Evidence
Daniel 10-12 contains an unusual feature, in that it suggests the nations of the earth correspond to angelic figures. These chapters specifically refer to an angelic prince of Persia (10.13,20), a prince of Greece (10.20), and Michael the prince of Israel (10.13,21; 12.1).

The book of Daniel displays an obvious familiarity with an existing 'Law of Moses' (9.11,13), so it may be the author's concept that nations correspond to angels comes from the 'sons of God' reading of Deuteronomy 32.8-9.

Resource
Michael S. Heiser, Deuteronomy 32:8 and the Sons of God (2001).

I found this here:
What is the original text of Deuteronomy 32:8-9?

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

I think he was referring to this: For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

From the KJV, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Ephesians 6:12). This has nothing to do with the AIR or FIRMAMENT being inhabited by these devils, but that spiritual WICKEDNESS (not wicked ONES) is in "high places" -- that is, in the high places of government (which is what the verse is about). The devils control and rule over the high places of government in this present evil world. It has nothing to do with the firmament being hell.

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

The word is plural both times in Hebrew

So is "God" in Genesis 1:1 yet nobody translates that as "the gods".

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

The confusion is about what is the lake of fire and what where the dead wait for judgement.
Those are not the same.Because the nations were divided after the tower of Babel, among the members of the divine council, who are gods (small g).
Psalms 82 shows you this didn't work out too well...

No, you just have to "rightly divide" (2 Timothy 2:15) those two. The hell people go to today is not the same hell as the lake of fire. In fact, there are FIVE hells in scripture, but I digress. As for Psalm 82, it isn't about some "divine council" but ANGELS with God in heaven, of which there are many LEGIONS of.

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

The very fact that there are far more angels than there are divisions of mankind in Genesis 10 (according to Deuteronomy 32:8) alone proves the KJV reading is right and the modern version reading is wrong. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.

 

[Hieronymus]

So is "God" in Genesis 1:1 yet nobody translates that as "the gods".

But YHWH Elohim is a trinity, so Elohim is plural, even though YHWH is One.

 

[marineimaging]

Unfortunately reading these comments supports my position that the greatest enemy to the Church of Jesus Christ is the men who dwell within its confines and call themselves holy. There is nothing problematic about the KJV. The problem is people putting things where they were not intended or don't belong. Interpretations do not make problems because the Bible is the Living Word of Almighty God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In that it is a living, breathing document then the words, if breathed to one man today, can mean something different tomorrow to another man without losing one bit of power or authority.

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

But YHWH Elohim is a trinity, so Elohim is plural, even though YHWH is One.

The argument simply doesn't work. If it's meant to be translated as a plural then it means GODS, not TRINITY.

 

[Hieronymus]

No, you just have to "rightly divide" (2 Timothy 2:15) those two. The hell people go to today is not the same hell as the lake of fire. In fact, there are FIVE hells in scripture, but I digress. As for Psalm 82, it isn't about some "divine council" but ANGELS with God in heaven, of which there are many LEGIONS of.

Maybe you should just read the text.

 

[Tree of Life]

Also the KJV got Hebrews 9:16-18 very wrong and inspired a whole slew of English translations to make its same mistakes.

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

Unfortunately reading these comments supports my position that the greatest enemy to the Church of Jesus Christ is the men who dwell within its confines and call themselves holy. There is nothing problematic about the KJV. The problem is people putting things where they were not intended or don't belong. Interpretations do not make problems because the Bible is the Living Word of Almighty God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In that it is a living, breathing document then the words, if breathed to one man today, can mean something different tomorrow to another man without losing one bit of power or authority.

So basically, the Bible is EVOLVING to match the current day and thought. Sorry, God's word is SETTLED, not EVER-CHANGING (Psalm 119:89).

 

[jalvarez4Jesus]

Maybe you should just read the text.

I have read and studied the text.

 

[Hieronymus]

The argument simply doesn't work. If it's meant to be translated as a plural then it means GODS, not TRINITY.

It seems you don't understand what i mean.
Elohim is a plural, heavens is also plural, that's what the ancient texts say.