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Featured What errors do you think exist within the KJV?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Jason0047, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Agent for Christ Supporter

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    If you believe the Word of God is unsubstantiated in it’s trustworthiness or it’s claims, then I beg to differ.

    Check out my blogger article here:

    Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God
     
  2. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Agent for Christ Supporter

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    I disagree.
     
  3. Noxot

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    why do you disagree and is it with all of it or only one of them?
     
  4. John Robie

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    I believe your argument is circular. Being insulting by insinuating something I never said is just unChrist-like.
     
  5. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Agent for Christ Supporter

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    We will have mansions.

    For this reason.

    “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” (Matthew 13:29).

    “Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” (Matthew 5:12).

    Great is your reward in heaven.

    Receive a hundred fold.
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  6. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Agent for Christ Supporter

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    Is a room really a reward?

    “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” (Hebrews 11:6).
     
  7. Jason0047

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    First, I am referring to having faith in the KJV (Seeing that is the pure Word of God that I am referring to here).

    Second, it is not really directed towards you alone. I am not seeking to make it personal with you. Does the Anti-KJV Only Position teach that one can believe God’s Word when it says that His Word is perfect and that it will be preserved for all generations?

    Third, I also used the word “if” in the sentence. If sets up a possibility or condition. For I said, “if you believe...” (what I am referring to).

    Surely, you believe foundational things in the Word of God like Jesus, the Trinity, and the gospel. But I am referring to the fact on whether or not you can trust that there is a perfect Word of God for our day. There are many Christians who believe in many basic things in God’s Word but they don’t believe there was ever a perfect written Word of God. Some believe the originals were perfect, but we simply do not have them any more.

    This is a problem for me because the Bible is called the Holy Bible and not the holey bible. For I am not supposed to change God’s Word. But God’s Word is supposed to change me.
     
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  8. Noxot

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    got infinite rooms so i'm okay with that :D

    1Cor 3:21-23 (YLT)
    So then, let no one glory in men, for all things are yours, whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things about to be--all are yours, and ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
     
  9. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Agent for Christ Supporter

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    Not everyone will have the same rewards in heaven.
     
  10. Noxot

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    I agree
     
  11. Jason0047

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    Mansions are a part of the reward.
    Jesus says, I go to prepare a place for you.
     
  12. Jason0047

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    “For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” (Romans 8:18).
     
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  13. Jason0047

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    So it is not go to be a room or an apartment. That is not a reward.
     
  14. John Robie

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    I know you are trying to walk it back, but your insult was clear.

    What you have with the KJV, NASB, ESV, etc. are translations. They contain the Word. They are not the Word. So as long as the Bible you read is accurately translated, then you have the word of Christ. There are a few faults in the KJV, mainly because the translators didn’t have the more accurate manuscripts that we have today. But it’s still a good translation. Just don’t worship it (“First, I am referring to having faith in the KJV“).
     
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    Anything that Christ gives is a reward.
     
  16. Jason0047

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    Scripture says great will be our reward in heaven. Scripture says we will receive a hundred fold in return on those things that we forsake in this life.
     
  17. Jason0047

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    No. If I thought you did not believe certain basics in the Bible like Jesus and the Trinity, I would say so. I already said before that believing the Perfection of the KJV is not a salvation issue. I am referring to your lack of belief in what I believe to be the Word of God in it’s entirety (i.e. the KJV).

    As for worshipping the Word:
    Not even tempted to do so. The thought of bowing down to an actual book is not appealing to me. I think of God’s Word as a love letter. I revere it because it is God’s Holy Word. It is very important and essential to me because Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
     
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  18. kenneth558

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    The Bible is about what God thinks and says, not me. If you can for a moment envision yourself asking God that question, what would He answer you? Do you really think He would blush and admit to you to making a mistake in His choosing the word fear? I think not.

    "Let God be true and EVERY man a liar"

    Sometimes we want to deviate to the right of what God says, sometimes to the left. Which direction are you trying to deviate to on His word choice here? (as if its not obvious to me)
     
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  19. Jason0047

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    So are you of the Modern Translation/ Original Hebrew and Greek Only Camp?
    Or are you of the KJV is the divine and perfect Word of God Camp?
     
  20. Jason0047

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    So what exactly is your position then?
    Do you believe even the original handwritten Scriptures were not perfect and they contained errors?

    That is simply not true. Actually, scholars do not generally favor the Textus Receptus or the KJV and they prefer the original languages from the manuscripts that are used to make the Modern Translations.

    Right. So they won't try to act like they are a Hebrew and Greek scholar (When they are not really one). They will not try and act like they know a dead language which is among the religious elite (i.e. Biblical scholarship). Today, Bible schools teach you to study Hebrew and Greek. They do not generally teach you to be KJV-only or anything. Bible schools are in the majority. They are the religious elite. It is not the KJV only folk. They are the minority.

    Which set of manuscripts or translation do you think is perfect that represents God's Word?
    What do you mean by perfect?
    Most I have talked with in the Modern Translation camp do not really believe the word “perfect” means “perfect.”

    I accepted Jesus with a chick tract that used KJV Bible verses. I had no problem understanding what it said. The gospel is not complicated. The KJV is not always hard to understand as you say. The Scripture quoted from the Old Testament by Jesus was not outdated (even though it was hundreds of years old). So I fail to see how your point is valid. I have watched tons of different sermons with a Pastor using a KJV and I had no problems understanding him.

    You obviously do not see the importance of the change made in 2 Timothy 2:15, Romans 8:1, and 1 John 5:7. For me these are big changes (that truly matters to my faith); But for you, they appear to be inconsequential. I find this to be very disturbing that you are not willing to see it. Oh, and yes. In part, I agree that this is an argument involving the Textus Receptus vs. the Critical Text. The problem is enormous if you favor the Critical Text over the TR. For not only are there changes for the worse and not for the better with a side by side comparison, but Wescott and Hort were occultists who did not believe the Scriptures and they favored these texts that were used from the Catholic Latin Vulgate.

    If you are honest with yourself, you will see that the Greek texts that Modern Translations use lines up with Catholic Bibles. Catholic Bibles are not founded upon the TR.

    So if I read a passage or verse to you in the KJV, you are telling me that you have absolutely no idea in what it says? Come on now.

    Not all bibles have been translated into all languages. So what do you make of that?
    Why does God send a strong delusion for some to believe a lie?
    Why did Jesus speak in parables?
    Why did God confuse the languages at the Tower of Babel?
    So your thinking is not always in line with the way God operates or works.
    God has the power right now for everyone to know His Word instantly.
    But there are reasons that God knows as to why He has chosen not to do this.

    Nowhere did I ever say that He did. The KJV or the TR is available in multiple languages.

    Textus Receptus in Spanish (RVG 2010):
    https://www.amazon.com/Santa-Biblia-Rústica-Valera-Spanish/dp/0758907567/
    King James Francais in French:
    Bible King James Française | King James Française
    Koning Jacobus Vertaling in Dutch:
    http://www.koningjacobusvertaling.org/info_english.php
    Bibelen Guds Ord in Norwegian:
    http://www.hermon.no/netbibelen/
    Thai King James Thailand Version:
    Read the KJV Thai Bible Online.
    Korean King James Version:
    https://www.amazon.com/Korean-English-Bible-Leather-Golden/dp/B005DPPENA/

    Many in your camp who are against the KJV-Only position believe that God’s Word was only perfect in the original manuscripts (i.e. the Hebrew and Greek).

    Some believe that there was never a perfect Word of God.
    Do you believe that there was ever a perfect word of God?

    No. It’s not dangerous because God’s words come from God. Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments. When a person magnifies God’s words they are in obedience to God and that sure is a lot better than a Christian acting like a hypocrite. God is the same way. He shows by example. Jesus (Who is God) always obeyed the Father. He magnified God’s Word above just saying God the Father all the time. Obedience is better than saying, Lord, Lord. For not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but He that does the will of the Father.

    Besides, there are other cross references that say the same thing. Just go to OpenBible sometime and check out the cross references.

    Where?
    Prove your case.

    It’s still English and you can still read and understand the majority of it.
    Stop acting like it is Biblical Greek (Which is a dead language that nobody can know for sure now a days without the English).

    I was not aware of the 2016 King James. Thank you for sharing such a thing. It appears to be based off the TR and not off of the corrupted texts used in Modern Translations. I would have to investigate it for a while and maybe get back to you in the far future (after careful years of analysis).

    No. Romans 8:1 is unique. There is no other verse that says that there is no Condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who walk after the flesh but walk after the Spirit. This REFUTES Eternal Security and does not support it. 1 John 5:7 is also unique. No other verse explains the Trinity point blank like 1 John 5:7. So if you want to show to an anti-Trinitarian that God’s Word clearly explains there is a Trinity, you are out of luck with your Modern Translation. 2 Timothy 2:15 also is unique. Again, no other verse commands you to study the Scriptures to show yourself approved unto God. It says something else. But believe whatever you want to believe. These changes are not that big of a deal for you. But for me, they are vital to my faith in the fact that I can use them to defend and contend for my faith.

    For me, it is very important that I have the very words of God and not the corrupted words of men. Why?

    “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
     
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