What errors and inventions arose in Roman Catholicism?

[Sasquatchit]

No, protestants don't even call the Blessed Mother 'blessed' as the Sacred Scriptures say all generations will do.

Strange for a group of people who claim to hold the bible in such high esteem.

Actually, I take it to mean that she was blessed among all women to have begotten our Savior, Him who made all things. She will always be considered blessed. There is nothing in the Scriptures telling us to worship her. In reality, there is very little mentioned about her beyond His birth.

 

[Tzaousios]

No, it's not. Calling it "nothing more than a pejorative term that is not used any longer to describe the European Middle Ages" is wrong in several ways. So let's call it silly, if nonsense seems too strong.

Albion, it appears you are practicing selective replying. If you call something I say "nonsense," it is best not to ignore what I have to say afterwards.

Since the last time you, me, ViaCrucis, and PaladinValer had this discussion, and the exact same thing was brought up, have you once again decided that no one uses it in the pejorative and scholars have ceased using the term with any seriousness? Have you forgotten when I alerted you to it being used in the pejorative?

 

[Albion]

Actually, I take it to mean that she was blessed among all women to have begotten our Savior, Him who made all things. She will always be considered blessed. There is nothing in the Scriptures telling us to worship her. In reality, there is very little mentioned about her beyond His birth.

right to the point and accurate.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I can't say I know what either of you are talking about there.

There's the rub.

 

[MoreCoffee]

This is sacrilegious and idolatrous!!!!!
How can u not think this idol worship????

This is very much against sound doctrine; this is NOT scriptural.

Gee, one gets the impression that emotions are running high and hot.

 

[annier]

From what I heard, the 2 bolded above appear to be the main source of contention between Eastern Orthodoxism and Western Catholicism

Filioque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Filioque (Ecclesiastical Latin: [filiˈɔkwe]), Latin for "and (from) the Son", is a phrase included in the form of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed (commonly called the Nicene Creed) used in most Western Christian churches since at least the 8th century.
It was accepted by the popes only in 1014, and is rejected by the Eastern Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodox Churches.

Together with papal primacy, differences over this doctrine have been and remain the primary causes of schism between the Eastern Orthodox and Western churches.
The Filioque has been an ongoing source of conflict between the East and West, contributing, in part, to the East-West Schism of 1054 and proving to be an obstacle to attempts to reunify the two sides.




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From what I understand the introduction of the filioque was the event which the Roman bishop acted in establishing his authority over and above the other Bishops. Prior to this, He had no such authority, as they were all equals. So yes the two are connected.
Seeing that the filioque altered the doctrine of the trinity, this has a very significant effect.
The doctrine of the trinity of course had long been established by an ecumenical council. The authority of the council was because they all agreed. The Roman bishop simply decided to alter the doctrine. Which addition "and from the Son" was no small matter. As it was semi heretical in the eyes of the other Bishops. The Protestant reformation retains the Roman addition to the doctrine.

 

[intojoy]

The dark ages traditionally refers to the period in Western Europe between the collapse of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century roughly until the crowning of Charlemagne in the year 800. Though I've also seen it refer as extending to the Scholastic Period when classical literature was re-introduced into Western Europe by the Arabs.

"The Dark Ages" were so-called because for a very long time there was little documentation of the period. This is the same reason why historians speak of the "Greek Dark Ages", the few centuries prior to Homer where there is scarce historical documentation, and thus we are largely in the dark.

Since historians today (and for a rather long time now) have a pretty solid grasp on the history of the period, the term "Dark Ages" is generally considered antiquated and archaic; it simply isn't an accurate descriptor of the period since the period isn't dark, we know what was going on in the period, and there is plenty of source material to work with.

Any other definition of "The Dark Ages" isn't worth considering since it has nothing to do with the discipline of historians. Your personal opinion on the matter is, to put it bluntly, moot. Historians deal in facts, not truthiness.

-CryptoLutheran

Right if you say so. Aren't you the guy who doesn't believe in the infallibility of Scripture?

 

[Rev Randy]

Maybe you are unfamiliar with what a war is.

An excuse to murder.

 

[Rev Randy]

If you dont then why bow infront of a statue to pray?Why not just pray without images?I ean do YOU REALLY need a statue to pray...like ch...

Do you think Catholics can not ever pray outside the presence of an Iconic statue?

 

[Rev Randy]

Is this Protestant idol worship?

 

[abysmul]

Is this Protestant idol worship?

No, that looks to be a posed photo for a magazine or something. Oh, are you saying only Protestants pray and read the Bible?

 

[Erose]

this makes no sense.. The statue is not heavenly. It is a graven image.

And it isn't the statue that is being prayed to either? The image is just that. It is a visual stimulus to focus one's mind upon whom the statue represents, just like when you use a picture of a loved one to call to mind that person you do not actually see.

 

[Erose]

Those are not examples of people bowing to statues. Next.

So bowing or kneeling before someone is not worship, while bowing or kneeling before something is? What a very inconsistent point of view. Maybe this type of thought process prevents you from being able to defend your own posts.

You saw it and even complained about it. Get over it.

Saw what? Again still waiting for a response for posts 80-81.

 

[Erose]

But do Protestans call her the "Queen of Heaven" "Co redemreix" and do they pray to her for intercession?Didnt think so

No they call her the queen of England, which we should agree is a much lower place than heaven.

Even though the queen of England is the head of the Church of England, no one can honestly claim that she has a greater roll in Salvation history than the woman, who by her "yes", participated in bring Salvation in the World. And why wouldn't I ask the queen mother of Christ to intercede for me before her Son? Don't you ask people at your Church to intercede for you?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Right if you say so. Aren't you the guy who doesn't believe in the infallibility of Scripture?

Which has what to do with the topic at hand?

And for the record, I don't subscribe to the modern doctrine of biblical inerrancy; rather I believe that Holy Scripture is the divinely inspired, authoritative, written word of God, infallible in its task to proclaim Jesus Christ to us; infallible in doctrine, morality, and practice. It is the regula fide of the Church, defining for the Church doctrine and practice.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Erose]

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[CRCampbell]

Oh man I'm laughing this morning. Brilliant.

 

[Erose]

Actually, I take it to mean that she was blessed among all women to have begotten our Savior, Him who made all things. She will always be considered blessed. There is nothing in the Scriptures telling us to worship her.

Well considering that I don't know a Church that does worship her, then there isn't much of a problem here is there?

In reality, there is very little mentioned about her beyond His birth.

You don't read much Scripture do you?

 

[abysmul]

 

[Albion]

Apparently, the pilgrims ARE NOT merely put in mind of the saint by seeing a representation of her.