What errors and inventions arose in Roman Catholicism?

[Rev Randy]

The Anglican Ordinariate is made up of former Anglicans. It is part of the Roman Catholic Church, so that handful of people are not Anglicans.

They are still Anglican in style. But I agree they are now fully Catholic under Rome. It's a good bit more than a handful but not an exodus. Not much greater than the amount leaving to join any other group.
I hear a diocese is talking about join the Russian Orthodox but I'm pretty sure they won't retain Anglican rite. They'll simply be Orthodox if the make the move.

 

[Albion]

They are still Anglican in style.

No, they're not. A few phrases and prayers from the Book of Common Prayer are allowed them, and some Anglican hymns, but in every other way, they are fully Roman Catholic the same as any other Roman Catholic. It is not in the least like another Catholic rite or a Uniate church, if you had that impression.

But I agree they are now fully Catholic under Rome. It's a good bit more than a handful but not an exodus.

Well, there are about 115,000,000 Anglicans in the world; there are about 2000 members of the Ordinariate. I call that a handful.

I hear a diocese is talking about join the Russian Orthodox but I'm pretty sure they won't retain Anglican rite. They'll simply be Orthodox if the make the move.

Hmm. It must be quite a secret since that hasn't appeared in any Anglican publication I'm aware of--and it almost certainly would have.

 

[Rev Randy]

No, they're not. A few phrases and prayers from the Book of Common Prayer are allowed them, and some Anglican hymns, but in every other way, they are fully Roman Catholic the same as any other Roman Catholic. It is not in the least like another Catholic rite or a Uniate church, if you had that impression.


Well, there are about 115,000,000 Anglicans in the world; there are about 2000 members of the Ordinariate. I call that a handful.


Hmm. It must be quite a secret since that hasn't appeared in any Anglican publication I'm aware of--and it almost certainly would have.

If the whole diocese actually does entertain it it will be news a good while before it happens. I'm not betting on it as they have a good many who are of the Charismatic persuasion. That will be an issue. It's only talks for now. I do know that some will be making the move regardless. Two clergy and their families. One is bringing his parish along. I was not informed it was any kind of secret.

 

[Albion]

If the whole diocese actually does entertain it it will be news a good while before it happens. I'm not betting on it as they have a good many who are of the Charismatic persuasion. That will be an issue. It's only talks for now. I do know that some will be making the move regardless. Two clergy and their families. One is bringing his parish along. I was not informed it was any kind of secret.

Two clergy and one parish???? Maybe that's why it hasn't made the news.

BTW, I take it that this is a diocese of The Episcopal Church we're speaking of?

 

[Rev Randy]

Two clergy and one parish???? Maybe that's why it hasn't made the news.

BTW, I take it that this is a diocese of The Episcopal Church we're speaking of?

No. ACNA.

 

[Erose]

The Anglican Ordinariate is made up of former Anglicans. It is part of the Roman Catholic Church, so that handful of people are not Anglicans.

Well they are calling them selves Anglican Catholics, and have their own rites based upon their Anglican tradition. There have been a few changes, from what I understand, where there was theological differences, but I have heard there isn't many.

But you are right, they are no longer members of the Anglican communion, but part of the Catholic Church.

How big they get, well I am not sure, but the pope has asked them to focus their evangelism not just on former, or disenchanted Anglicans; but to all looking for a Church. At this time a Roman Catholic cannot make the transition over to the ordinate. This is probably due to them not yet being classified as a Particular Church, as the other non-Roman Catholic Churches are. Perhaps this will change, if they can get their own bishop, from their own ranks. But that will require a priest who is not married.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Albion

The Anglican Ordinariate is made up of former Anglicans. It is part of the Roman Catholic Church, so that handful of people are not Anglicans.
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Originally Posted by Erose

It should be noted that we now have the Anglican ordinate, which is in full communion with Rome.
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I'm very aware of that. It was something I didn't believe would ever happen. I was wrong.....again. I find it fascinating. But I see no mass exodus to join.
I have a feeling this will cause some issues with the regulars in the near future. But I've been wrong before as noted.

Man, all of that is just plain confusing to me.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7411153-55/
Slick move by the Pope to attract Anglicans

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Catholic Church Revises Constitution to Attract Anglicans - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

The Roman Catholic Church made a stunning policy reversal on Tuesday in a move to attract thousands of traditional Anglicans who have become disaffected by a growing acceptance of gays and women priests and bishops.


Interesting, what do you think?

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[Albion]

Man, all of that is just plain confusing to me.

It's somewhat of a sideshow to the thread, LLOJ, but the answer is quite simple. The Pope made a provision a couple of years ago for Anglicans to convert, in groups like whole parishes, to the Roman Catholic Church. The proclamation was a provision for an "Ordinariate" meaning those making the move would have their own jurisdiction within the RCC and not just be filtered into the local, existing, Catholic parishes.

But it turned out to be less than was expected when it was implemented, so very few Anglicans have decided to go that way. The little disagreement we had here on this thread was just about the fact that those who did join are ordinary Catholics now except they do have a special supervisor and retain a few incidental Anglican prayers, etc. People sometimes think, erroneously, that they are a separate Anglican church that is in "full communion" with the RCC.

 

[Rick Otto]

The more things change...

 

[Albion]

Well they are calling them selves Anglican Catholics,

I don't see that very often in their literature, but don't doubt that it sometimes is said. However, it can't be anything more than a colloquialism or 'local pride' because they are totally incorporated into the Catholic Church and are not a Uniate jurisdiction or a new rite like the Maronites, etc.

and have their own rites based upon their Anglican tradition.

They have their own prayerbook but it's not a separate rite. All it is is the Roman Catholic Mass with a few non-controversial passages taken from the Book of Common Prayer sprinkled in.

There have been a few changes, from what I understand, where there was theological differences, but I have heard there isn't many.

Other than for married priests (which isn't really doctrinal) I can't think of any.

But you are right, they are no longer members of the Anglican communion, but part of the Catholic Church.

Well, of course they aren't still members of the Anglican Communion, but they aren't Anglicans of any sort, either.

How big they get, well I am not sure, but the pope has asked them to focus their evangelism not just on former, or disenchanted Anglicans; but to all looking for a Church. At this time a Roman Catholic cannot make the transition over to the ordinate.

I think the steam has gone out of this project, but, as you say, we can't know what the future will hold.

This is probably due to them not yet being classified as a Particular Church, as the other non-Roman Catholic Churches are. Perhaps this will change

According to the Vatican, it won't.

 

[Pteriax]

Which one does and I will make an attempt to watch it.

It's in the Roman Catholicism series. Forget which episode. I think.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The more things change...

one more ring on the tree ..

same tree .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Man, all of that is just plain confusing to me.
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It's somewhat of a sideshow to the thread, LLOJ, but the answer is quite simple. The Pope made a provision a couple of years ago for Anglicans to convert, in groups like whole parishes, to the Roman Catholic Church. The proclamation was a provision for an "Ordinariate" meaning those making the move would have their own jurisdiction within the RCC and not just be filtered into the local, existing, Catholic parishes.

But it turned out to be less than was expected when it was implemented, so very few Anglicans have decided to go that way. The little disagreement we had here on this thread was just about the fact that those who did join are ordinary Catholics now except they do have a special supervisor and retain a few incidental Anglican prayers, etc. People sometimes think, erroneously, that they are a separate Anglican church that is in "full communion" with the RCC.

The more things change...

one more ring on the tree ..

same tree .

Good point

Rev 22:2
in the midst of its broad place and of the river, on this side and on that, [is] a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree [are] for the service of the nations;






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[Sasquatchit]

Gee, one gets the impression that emotions are running high and hot.

Just definding the Way.....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Gee, one gets the impression that emotions are running high and hot.

In what way?




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[Erose]

It's in the Roman Catholicism series. Forget which episode. I think.

Link it and Ill watch it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Pteriax

Here are 21 reasons (http://www.bible.ca/catholic-apocrypha.htm):

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So this isn't copy and paste????

Originally Posted by Pteriax

Thought I posted that in a different topic, lol. The videos I posted answer your objections to this by the way.
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Which one does and I will make an attempt to watch it.

It's in the Roman Catholicism series. Forget which episode. I think.

Link it and Ill watch it.

I may or may not watch it, but I too am curious about it.



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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Pteriax

No. Videos that back up what they say with primary sources, not that you would know since you refuse to watch them. Are you afraid they might change your mind?
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Please explain how church history has changed your mind. Be specific. I have always wondered, since you claim that your perspective is informed by history, how it could ever have possibly changed as a result of the serious study of history.

Ya got me.......



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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

Gee, one gets the impression that emotions are running high and hot.
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Just *definding the Way.....

And a fine job you are doing



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[MoreCoffee]

LLoJ raises another zombie!