What errors and inventions arose in Roman Catholicism?

[Rick Otto]

If you spent so many years studying it, then why are so often wrong about what the Church teaches?

If you know so much about it, how can you say he's wrong?

 

[Rick Otto]

And we're is this in the Bible? Where does it say that all images are unacceptable except for the one I specifically tell you about? Chapter and verse please.

It says not to in the ten commandments. The exception instructing to, is in Numbers.
Short & sweet.

 

[Erose]

If you know so much about it, how can you say he's wrong?

is it getting late Rick?

 

[Erose]

It says not to in the ten commandments. The exception instructing to, is in Numbers.
Short & sweet.

I don't see those chapters and verses Rick.

 

[Albion]

If you spent so many years studying it, then why are so often wrong about what the Church teaches?

I'm not.

Probably you think that because you so often misstate your own church's beliefs.

 

[Albion]

I don't see those chapters and verses Rick.

We'll give you a little more time to locate the Ten Commandments in the Bible on your own. If you can't, get back to us and we'll tell you which book and chapter to look in.

 

[Yab Yum]

Ah the Scylla and Charibdis of Time. And poor me, stuck on a tree, stuck in the middle, in the middle of a fool and a clown, laughing at me, a pig in a poke.

... God LOVES to work through His Children, and makes His presence felt more through them, than through miracles. The Bible is full of stories of God's work through His Prophets and Saints. It's the way He works, so why would this be shut off when we get to heaven?

Yes. Central. God has already created, now, he is re-creating - together with us. It's far more radical to be part of God's family than to clock in to God's cheerleading team. God isn't a fireworks display, he's our dear Abba. You Prots can paint yourselves blue all you want and cheer from the nosebleeds. After the game you'll be nursing your hangover but I'll be in the kitchen making Him some nice hot chocolate and asking Him if he wants me to massage his toesies - or if he might consider massaging my friend's toesies. That's what spouses do, I suppose. I mean in the long run which do you think you would prefer?

No. Wrong. God is not only re-creating with us, He is also perpetually creating through us. How does he do that other than by accepting the pleasing aroma of our efforts and sacrifices? Do you think God is happy with the tea cosies you RCCs are perpetually knitting him? Get a life and try to remember what it was like to fall in love - for once. Re-member, don't just re-create. Be engaged to God, not just married with a mortgage - and with kids. Don't you remember? What it was like, back in the beginning, to be overpowered and overcome? By the Lord of all Hosts?

Time, time, time ...

3 Everything must be done by turns; no activity, here beneath the heavens, but has its allotted time for beginning and coming to an end. 2 Men are born only to die, plant trees only to displant them. 3 Now we take life, now we save it; now we are destroying, now building. 4 Weep first, then laugh, mourn we and dance; 5 the stones we have scattered we must bring together anew; court we first and then shun the embrace. 6 To-day’s gain, tomorrow’s loss; what once we treasured, soon thrown away; 7 the garment rent, the garment mended; silence kept, and silence ended; 8 love alternating with hatred, war with peace. 9 For all this toiling of his, how is man the richer? 10 Pitiable indeed I found it, this task God has given to mankind; 11 and he, meanwhile, has made the world, in all its seasonable beauty, and given us the contemplation of it, yet of his own dealings with us, first and last, never should man gain comprehension. 12 To enjoy his life, to make the best of it, beyond doubt this is man’s highest employment; 13 that gift at least God has granted him, to eat and drink and see his toil rewarded. 14 But be sure all God has made will remain for ever as he made it; there is no adding to it, no taking away from it; so he will command our reverence. 15 Nothing that has been, but lasts on still; nothing that will be, but has been already; he is ever repeating the history of the past.

Tempora aptari decet.

 

[Rev Randy]

You really don't see the difference in God telling you to do something, and just deciding on your own? Really?

No, they do not understand scripture. They twist scripture to fit whatever they want it to.

Deciding on our own? Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Confessional lutherans and Cathlo-anglicans do not decide things like this on their own. They follow the Church as the Church is where the authority was given by Christ.

 

[Rev Randy]

We'll give you a little more time to locate the Ten Commandments in the Bible on your own. If you can't, get back to us and we'll tell you which book and chapter to look in.

So we are bound by the Law? No binding? no loosing/ No authority given to the Church?
It doesn't matter. My Icons are generally not graven. Except for a little Pectoral Cross.

 

[Albion]

So we are bound by the Law? No binding? no loosing/ No authority given to the Church?
It doesn't matter. My Icons are generally not graven. Except for a little Pectoral Cross.

Are you sure you're in the right thread with that? Rick Otto referred to the Ten Commandments and Erose seemed to say he couldn't find them. I merely said we'd help if he searches a little more and still can't locate them.

 

[Albion]

Deciding on our own? Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Confessional lutherans and Cathlo-anglicans...

A new religious movement has been found???

 

[Pteriax]

The problem with your assertion is that it says exactly what I say it did. I even quoted it for you.

You have claimed in more than a few posts that any image should be considered an idol, and should not be acceptable due to the commandment against false idols. I showed you in the very same book, were images were obviously acceptable, within even the Tent of Meeting and then latter in 1Kings in the Temple.then you went on some discussion that they were only acceptable because a prophet said so. Well if they are except able within the Tent and Temple of God, why on earth would they not be acceptable in the Church of God?

No, you quote it and then impose the RCC interpretation over the words of God.

 

[Pteriax]

Do you even know what a prophet is?

Do you? LOL! I just defined one for you.

You don't see the imagery of angels and ancients bring the prayers of the saints? What are you doing when you intercede? You are bringing to God a petition of another.

No one in the Bible that was not pagan ever prayed to the dead (or those who passed on to heaven) even one time. Intercessory prayer is done by the still living here on earth.

 

[Pteriax]

what evidence? Videos from people unable to defend their positions against my Church, so they make things up about it? Please that isn't evidence, that is being lazy.

No. Videos that back up what they say with primary sources, not that you would know since you refuse to watch them. Are you afraid they might change your mind?

i have not seen one counter response as of yet, but I will accept you don't have one and leave it at that.

You have seen it, you commented that you didn't feel like watching it, and commented to someone else that you wouldn't read a long post either. You must be afraid of the truth.

I believe I have answered your questions, I am still waiting on a few. Like he said, just saying that is false is not a satisfactory answer.

You believe wrong. You have not answered where someone prays to anything or anyone other than God except pagans in the Bible, and you totally ignored other questions as well. I never just said false in this discussion, Tz was referring to other debates I engaged in. I have explained every answer I have given you, sometimes with so much detail and information that you refuse to even look at it repeatedly.

 

[Pteriax]

And we're is this in the Bible? Where does it say that all images are unacceptable except for the one I specifically tell you about? Chapter and verse please.

Exodus. Read the whole book as you keep suggesting to others. God commissions specific images, then commands His people not to make images or bow to them or worship them.

 

[Pteriax]

Deciding on our own? Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Confessional lutherans and Cathlo-anglicans do not decide things like this on their own. They follow the Church as the Church is where the authority was given by Christ.

No, church leaders in the third century (thereabouts) made up their own things with no instruction from God. They still do to this day. I am the church and you are the church, not some guy in a pointy hat.

 

[Erose]

I'm not.

Probably you think that because you so often misstate your own church's beliefs.

It is easy to fact check, Albion. It isn't like we keep our beliefs secret, unlike many on these forums.

 

[Erose]

Exodus. Read the whole book as you keep suggesting to others. God commissions specific images, then commands His people not to make images or bow to them or worship them.

Again where does it say that only these are accepted? Or maybe it is the fact that these images or not classified as idols, because they are not? Like I said before there is ample evidence from Scripture that not all images are idols.

But I think I am done reading the interesting ways that Scripture is being warped. I am still waiting for that verse that says all images are bad except the ones in the temple or Tent.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Pteriax

Exodus. Read the whole book as you keep suggesting to others. God commissions specific images, then commands His people not to make images or bow to them or worship them.
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Again where does it say that only these are accepted? Or maybe it is the fact that these images or not classified as idols, because they are not? Like I said before there is ample evidence from Scripture that not all images are idols.

But I think I am done reading the interesting ways that Scripture is being warped.
I am still waiting for that verse that says all images are bad except the ones in the temple or Tent.

On GT specifically or within Christianity in general?





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[Rick Otto]

quote=Erose;Again where does it say that only these are accepted?

Only in Numbers are the commissioned images.
The Book of Numbersot to be bowed before or prayed to.
Numbers Chapter 21
Numbers 21, verses 8 & 9.
God command the making of a brass serpent, but not to be bowed down before it, or to be prayed to. Context applies.
Also the angels on the ark of the covenant.
None of the exceptions are to be prayed to or bowed to.

Or maybe it is the fact that these images or not classified as idols, because they are not? Like I said before there is ample evidence from Scripture that not all images are idols.

Right. Just the ones prayed to & that are bowed to.

But I think I am done reading the interesting ways that Scripture is being warped.

I would've hoped so, but apparently not.

I am still waiting for that verse that says all images are bad except the ones in the temple or Tent.

You'll be waiting a long time for that load of straw.