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What does worship have to do with science?

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Hans Blaster

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You do not know what a scam is? Look it up in the dictionary.
It's that your comment about polling being a "scam" to sell papers makes no sense.
 
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It's that your comment about polling being a "scam" to sell papers makes no sense.
Paul Harvey talks about how bad news sells. Willian Hurst was accused of promoting McCarthyism. If you do not think newspapers and news agencies have an agenda they try to promote. Then I have some prime real estate in Florida that I can give you a great price on.
 

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I don't see any connection between worship and science. Only God knows the essence and structure of things, and this is useful only to Him. Science and observations are false/demonic because man and the universe are no longer in a state of absolute Grace. What science is observing is a universe that experienced a fall from God, a cursed world, one that deteriorates and dies. The actual meaning and appearance of the universe will be revealed by God in the afterlife ("there will be a new heaven and a new earth").
 
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I don't see any connection between worship and science.
They are both based on Knowledge. We worship God because we acknowledge Him for who He is. When we realize how mighty, wonderful, and awesome God is, we cannot help but worship Him.
 
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“He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40‬:‭22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I worship the One who created this place we call Earth and all the laws of science.
 
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They are both based on Knowledge. We worship God because we acknowledge Him for who He is. When we realize how mighty, wonderful, and awesome God is, we cannot help but worship Him.
That was not the point of my post. Regardless, there is also the knowledge of hell. When we realize how Mighty and Just God is, we start fearing Him.
 
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That was not the point of my post.
Romans 1:20 talks about how we can know God through His Creation. So that people are without excuse. Evolution goes a long way toward showing us how God does what He does. I know that theistic evolution leaves a lot to be desired, but it is not without merit. People have to study the Bible and Science. Far too often they learn one or the other, but not both. History also goes a long way to help us understand the Bible.
 
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You still haven't said what "polling" and "scams" have to do with selling papers. Please include the rest of the story.
 
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You still haven't said what "polling" and "scams" have to do with selling papers.
Really, you cannot put that together yourself. Or is this just another one of your homework assignments? It looks like you are the one running the scam here.

As you should know clicks make for advertising income. Musk accused Twitter of fraud to bilk advertisers out of their money. He even took them to court over this issue.

Not all polling used by newspapers or news articles is legitimate or reliable. There are fake or misleading polls being used by news organizations to generate clicks and page views or to manipulate public opinion on certain issues. It is important to evaluate the source and methodology of any poll or survey used in newspapers or news articles before relying on their results. As Hillary found out in her election for president.

They even have websites to verify what is "fake news" and what is real.


The events of the January 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol were fueled by a range of factors. Some people attribute that to fake news from various publications.

 
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It's no wonder why I can't follow what you were talking about, because in response to your claim that polling was "a science" to which I noted it was a TOOL (and not one used in the science covered by this board), you apparently switch your thinking to newspaper opinion polls which had nothing to do with the topic at had.
 
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The verse has nothing to do with the scientific method and has nothing to do with the topic.
 
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I don't know why you are changing the topic of your own thread.
The point is maybe I am kicking a dead horse. Even if you believe that Science proves the Bible is true. That still is not faith in God. Without faith it is impossible to please God. I use science to better understand the Bible. Maybe that approach is not for everyone. But a lot of Churches require people to have a degree in Science before they can go to Seminary and get a degree in Religious studies.

One thing is for sure. You have 100% failed to show that the Bible is not true.
 
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The point is maybe I am kicking a dead horse.
Probably.
Even if you believe that Science proves the Bible is true. That still is not faith in God.
So long as you understand that this describes you, and not necessarily others. (Certainly not me.)
Without faith it is impossible to please God. I use science to better understand the Bible. Maybe that approach is not for everyone.
This is theology.
But a lot of Churches require people to have a degree in Science before they can go to Seminary and get a degree in Religious studies.
You have made this claim before. Can you give me even *ONE* church that operates this way? Can you start with a denominational seminary that has a science degree as an entrance requirement?
 
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Can you give me even *ONE* church that operates this way?
Episcopal, Methodist, Pilgram. United Church of Christ. The churches I have been a part of. I know there are plenty of pastors with two-year degrees. But they are not mainline denominations. If you are sick do you go to a doctor or do you just find a medical assistant to help you? The pastor in my Pilgrim church did not really even accept Creationism. It just did not line up with Science. At least a lot of the popular books at the so-called Christian book store. I went through one of those bookstores while I was waiting for my wife when she was shopping. I could not find much of anything in a book that reflected the Bible. The only one I could find was a woman called Stormie.

They went out of business soon after that. Actually, the nearby mall shut down and went out of business. Last I heard I think they tore it down to build an Amazon warehouse. Our life becomes like one of those movies where the building goes up and then it comes right back down and is gone like it was never there.
 
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Ok, thanks for letting me know. No reason to keep wasting time on a lost cause.

That's right. I'm never going to convert (back) to Jesus. Been there. Done that. Don't find it plausible. At all. (This isn't the place for that anyway, but it doesn't seem to stop anyone.)
 
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Superstition affects both science and religion. Jesus Christ is not superstition and His commandments ( for ex. Matthew 19:16-19 etc.) overcome superstition. These commandments must be understood to overcome superstition and then lived out accordingly.

I speak as one unworthy of what I might properly understand and fail to properly witness like a certain Pharisee ( Luke 18:10-14).

Superstition can affect alleged “science” sometimes too ( for ex)

 
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