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Durelen said:What is this? Bunch of sound bites??
You even know what that means?
Hey look, I answered the original posts question.
If you cant except that then toooo bad!
Hmmmmm.... I think I see why you were insulted. As I said earlier, I apologize for having offended you.Durelen said:Sure did, your comment leads to the conclusion that I an in danger of sin (or have done)for foolishly supporting my country and I said you slumber because you lack understanding of the issue.
No one is nailing their ear to the door frame here and that is not even legal here in the US last I checked. I suppose if you never run for an office, never join or get drafted in the military, never stand in a court of law or never need to go through the process of becoming a citizen of the United States then you are in a sweet spot by your interpretations.
You guys should just pack up and go heh. Plenty have, so you are not alone.
Excellent point. Your repsonse reminds me of the parable of the two sons. THe first son says he will go plow the field and then doesn't. The one says he won't and does. That to me is the case with the pledge. People are coerced into saying a pledge that is dedicated to liberty. Those who don't say the pledge in the name of liberty are standing by the best principles of the Constitution.USincognito said:Personally I don't say the Pledge any more. I doubt that I would even if "under God" was removed. I think a true citizen shows their alliegence to this nation by actions, not words. By living up to our ideals and goals, by participating in the political process and by obeying the law.
The Oath of Office on the other hand I would say. In it you are making a committment to a job you are accepting on behalf of your fellow citizens. That committment makes you accountable. It's then up to the person who takes the Oath to live up to it or be removed from office.
LiberalChristian said:Yes, I guess you could say that I am saying you are in danger of sin, but do you take that as an insult? Personally, I am more than glad to hear some one tell me that I am at risk. I appreciate the sharing of their advice.
No need for hostility.
I think you misunderstand my point. You were in a sense listening to a conversation between two family members. My comments were to another Christian brother about Christianity and the taking of oaths.FactsB4Faith said:LC, if you can possibly turn that around, and think about this:
What if I constantly told you ("shared my advice") that YOU are the one at risk; that I believe/hope that one day you will discover that the whole Jesus story IS myth (as I did)? If I kept right on insisting that I am very concerned for your well-being; and kept on arrogantly believing and asserting that MY way was the only way, the TRUE way, and what if I said "leave the country and quit whining", etc., would you not get just a tad bit irritated? What if I then said to you "No need for hostility" ????
Do you understand? Why is it that most christians do not know; do not think, do not understand, or even care, that the Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, BUT..........it also guarantees
freedom FROM religion!??
"The U.N. was founded by people that later revealed in sworn testimony that they were Communists. It has been used by Communists to oppress the United States and to curttail them while allowing the Communists to march uncontested over the world."Ikaria said:You can't serve God and mammon.
FactsB4Faith said:LC, if you can possibly turn that around, and think about this:
What if I constantly told you ("shared my advice") that YOU are the one at risk; that I believe/hope that one day you will discover that the whole Jesus story IS myth (as I did)? If I kept right on insisting that I am very concerned for your well-being; and kept on arrogantly believing and asserting that MY way was the only way, the TRUE way, and what if I said "leave the country and quit whining", etc., would you not get just a tad bit irritated? What if I then said to you "No need for hostility" ????
Do you understand? Why is it that most christians do not know; do not think, do not understand, or even care, that the Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, BUT..........it also guarantees
freedom FROM religion!??
William Nunn said:If you are talking about being stalked by someone and them bashing you in the face with their beliefs then I agree with you, but I'm tired of people constantly ostracizing Christians for wanting to share their views and beliefs with others, but they don't bat an eye when evolutionists or humanists do it.
There is nothing in the recent pledge ruling that says that you kids can't say it. The ruling says that the government can't have teachers lead the kids in this overtly religious pledge.William Nunn said:Well, in that instance, I agree with you. I can't say that anyone should be forced to pledge anything they don't want to.
Most people don't leave it at that though. They can't be content with "live and let be". Just because some people don't want to pledge allegiance to God as well as country, many can't do it in a public forum, such as school. Personally, it offends me that my son/daughter may get in trouble or be told that they are in the wrong because they want to say "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. But most people really don't care how offended Christians get.
Yes. However I do not have any allegiance to and do not recognize any god. Therefore the pledge does not represent my beliefs.totheright said:crazyfingers,
As a lifelong atheist, I do not recall having ever recited the pledge. I always refused to do so.
So, do you have allegiance to the United States of America?
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