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What Does Scripture Really Say about Drinking, Smoking, and Tattoos?

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Here is something I wrote on this topic. Perhaps there will be something in it ppl can enjoy:

Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 19:28 You may not make cuts in your flesh in respect for the dead, or have marks printed on your bodies: I am the Lord. (BBE)

This appears to be related to putting marks on your body for the dead rather than marks for other reasons.

In many cultures people will cut or tattoo themselves as a way to remember and honor their dead. One tribe I know will cut a finger or toe off. I think God is simply banning that type of thing especially since the dead are alive and with God so there is no need to honor them in such a way.


Print:

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na^than
naw-than'
A primitive root; to give, used with great latitude of application (put, make, etc.): - add, apply, appoint, ascribe, assign, X avenge, X be ([healed]), bestow, bring (forth, hither), cast, cause, charge, come, commit consider, count, + cry, deliver (up), direct, distribute do, X doubtless, X without fail, fasten, frame, X get, give (forth, over, up), grant, hang (up), X have, X indeed, lay (unto charge, up), (give) leave, lend, let (out), + lie, lift up, make, + O that, occupy, offer, ordain, pay, perform, place, pour, print, X pull, put (forth), recompense, render, requite, restore, send (out), set (forth), shew, shoot forth (up). + sing, + slander, strike, [sub-] mit, suffer, X surely, X take, thrust, trade, turn, utter, + weep, X willingly, + withdraw, + would (to) God, yield.


Mark:

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ketho^beth
keth-o'-beth
From H3789; a letter or other mark branded on the skin: - X any [mark].


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kah-ak-ah'
From the same as H6970; an incision or gash: - + mark.



Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.



God marked Cain.




Ezekiel 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.



Ordered one here.




Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.



And something very similar here.




Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.



I still maintain that the printing of marks is directly related to the cutting the flesh....in honor of the dead as opposed to other reasons.

Both Tattoos and cutting the flesh is banned "for the dead". It just is worded for the cutting first and the ban on tattoos for the dead is added afterwards. Doesn't change the context.



It isn't "don't cut your flesh for the dead, and don't get tattoos for any reason" The tattoo statement is directly related to the last thought.




Did not the flesh get cut during circumcision and yet that wasn't banned by God. No, it was cutting the flesh "for the dead" that was banned and I suggest marking the flesh also for the dead which was also banned.




Isaiah 49:16 - Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.


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02710 chaqaq {khaw-kak'}


a primitive root; TWOT - 728; v


AV - lawgiver 6, governor 2, decree 2, to grave 2, portray 2, law 1,
printed 1, set 1, note 1, appoint; 19


1) to cut out, decree, inscribe, set, engrave, portray, govern
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to cut in
1a2) to cut in or on, cut upon, engrave, inscribe
1a3) to trace, mark out
1a4) to engrave, inscribe (of a law)
1b) (Poel)
1b1) to inscribe, enact, decree
1b2) one who decrees, lawgiver (participle)
1c) (Pual) something decreed, the law (participle)
1d) (Hophal) to be inscribed




God has marked himself for us!


Galatians 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.


marks


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4742 stigma {stig'-mah}


from a primary stizo (to "stick", i.e. prick); TDNT - 7:657,1086; n n


AV - mark 1; 1


1) a mark pricked in or branded upon the body. To ancient oriental
usage, slaves and soldiers bore the name or the stamp of their
master or commander branded or pricked (cut) into their bodies to
indicate what master or general they belonged to, and there were
even some devotee's who stamped themselves in this way with the
token of their gods



And, we bear the marks of Christ in a spiritual way upon our bodies.
Interesting; thanks.

Today in North America especially it's become widely customary for 18 year olds to get a tattoo as a rite of passage on reaching adulthood. A huge range of often contradictory influences might well inform the tattoo design choice, but many young Christians find that faith based tattoo designs are very effective in witness conversations.

It used to be a man thing, but today 59%-70% of parlor clients in North America are female. It's undoubtedly become regarded very widely as a thoroughly womanly way of expressing one's passage to a measure of maturity.

(I saw a quote someplace about how prevalent it has become in the Bible Belt; maybe I should try to dig it up.)
 
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Here is something ...

Here is the quote I mentioned, FYI:

QueenCat said:
Around here (Bible Belt), it is common, especially among evangelical Christians, for the girls under about 40 to have religious tattoos. More do than don't, especially when you get to the under 30 crowd. I hardly know any female at church that is under 30 that does not have a tattoo.
forums dot thewelltrainedmind dot com
 
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Here is the quote I mentioned, FYI:

forums dot thewelltrainedmind dot com


I recall seeing that post. FYI, I have no tattoos :) Have no interest in them personally nor could I think of something I'd want for life.
 
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I recall seeing that post. FYI, I have no tattoos :) Have no interest in them personally nor could I think of something I'd want for life.
Oh okay! :) Anyway, it very obviously is a very widespread choice, not least because of its perceived witness potential among not a few Christians. Whatever might have been the customary practice in the past, your observation about the apparent absence of strictures about tattoos in the New Testament informs the fact that many young Christians see no reason not to participate in this very widespread rite of passage at 18, and, indeed, some of them find strong witness motives to do so.
 
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I was thinking of the doing it with a clear conscience end of things, especially if the person's motive is to witness to one's contemporaries; so have you yourself had opportunities to talk to ppl about your faith based tattoo design?

It hasn't been an issue, they have some too. It's not a big deal to us.
 
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Yes it was still a rite of passage of sorts, even though it was an individual one ...
Yes, it shows the person that s/he has become an adult; I think this is one reason why it's so widely observed by 18 year olds. For Christians, for the design to be faith based is often a strong part of the motivation.
 
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Yes, it shows the person that s/he has become an adult; I think this is one reason why it's so widely observed by 18-year-olds. For Christians, for the design to be faith based is often a strong part of the motivation.

Yes. There is something very satisfying about putting a faith-based marking on our body. Many churches have beautiful stained glass and pictures of faith on them. I feel this is no different because our body is a Holy Temple. I don't feel it is wrong in the slightest to adorn it with our love for who lives inside! God's Word IS God-Breathed and Christ manifest in the flesh. John 1:1-13 and 2 Timothy 3:16. I think people who judge other's based on markings of their body are insecure and unstable in their own relationship with Christ. I am not judging but I am speaking and exposing Truth here. The Truth of Gods Word. We were all sinners but Christ sent all sin into eternal remission when He overcame it on the Cross. So why now do we allow ourselves to be chained by the law that no longer applies to us? Romans 7:1-6
 
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Yes. There is something very satisfying about putting a faith-based marking on our body. Many churches have beautiful stained glass and pictures of faith on them. I feel this is no different because our body is a Holy Temple. I don't feel it is wrong in the slightest to adorn it with our love for who lives inside! God's Word IS God-Breathed and Christ manifest in the flesh. John 1:1-13 and 2 Timothy 3:16. I think people who judge other's based on markings of their body are insecure and unstable in their own relationship with Christ. I am not judging but I am speaking and exposing Truth here. The Truth of Gods Word. We were all sinners but Christ sent all sin into eternal remission when He overcame it on the Cross. So why now do we allow ourselves to be chained by the law that no longer applies to us? Romans 7:1-6
I guess that doing it at 18 is also a bit symbolic of - to use your words - throwing off the chains of childhood and when a young adult by faith is beginning a walk with the Lord and at 18 wants ink to show it, then it seems that many 18 year old Christian young people getting a faith based tattoo at their rite of passage parlor visit find it a profoundly satisfying way of expressing their newfound adulthood.

Seems like you don't regret your 'blessed' tattoo; kind of a milestone for you, I guess?
 
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It hasn't been an issue, they have some too. It's not a big deal to us.
victor de Jehova Tsidkenu:

Like, most of the ppl you know who have had ink done, did it for the first time at 18, I guess, did they?
 
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There are many hot-button topics that Christians like to debate their freedom in today. Smoking, drinking, and getting tattoos seem to be near the top of that list.

rethink88:

Well, re. tattoos, I think they have really become very widespread; this is a quote I saw from the Bible Belt, FYI:

QueenCat said:
Around here (Bible Belt), it is common, especially among evangelical Christians, for the girls under about 40 to have religious tattoos. More do than don't, especially when you get to the under 30 crowd. I hardly know any female at church that is under 30 that does not have a tattoo.
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The bible does prohibit drinking for specific people. The priesthood, Nazarites (see Samson), and there was one father who forbid his son to drink. If drinking was a sin it wouldn't be told for specific people not to drink because it would be a sin for everyone. In fact, Jesus drank wine and said it is okay to drink but don't be a drunkard. So, is drinking a sin? No. Is drinking to excess a sin? Yes.

I would say the same for smoking, however smoking is quite addictive and it is not possible to smoke just a little, once you start it is next to impossible to quit. It took me over 25 years to quit. Probably not a sin. Probably very stupid to start.

The Hebrews were told not to have tattoos. Even though we are not under the law if God does not like it why do it? Just as I don't like saying the name of other gods, even if I am not under the law why do something that will anger God? What will it profit me? I can not say if it is a sin or not for non Hebrews to get tattoos. It may of been for identification purposes such as not trimming the edges of the beard. I'd rather be safe than sorry, however.
 
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He bible does prohibit drinking for specific people. The priesthood, Nazarites (see Samson), and there was one farther who forbid his son to drink. If drinking was a sin it wouldn't be told for specific people not to drink because it would be a sin for everyone. In fact, Jesus drank wine and said it is okay to drink but don't be a drunkard. So, is drinking a sin? No. Is drinking to excess a sin? Yes.

I would say the same for smoking, however smoking is quite addictive and it is not possible to smoke just a little, once you start it is next to impossible to quit. It took me over 25 years to quit. Probably not a sin. Probably very stupid to start.

The Hebrews were told not to have tattoos. Even though we are not under the law if God does not like it why do it? Just as I don't like saying the name of other gods, even if I am not under the law why do something that will anger God? What will it profit me? I can not say if it is a sin or not for non Hebrews to get tattoos. It may of been for identification purposes such as not trimming the edges of the beard. I'd rather be safe than sorry, however.

There is wisdom, certainly, in some of what you say, I agree.

Regarding tattoos, it's interesting that my wife and I talked to a young lady with the whole of John 3.16 inked on her wrist area; it was her favorite verse in the Bible and mine also; and I'm sure other conversations have arisen also as a result of the young lady's willingness to have it done.
 
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The Hebrews were told not to have tattoos.


Not really. They weren't to get tattoos for the dead. There was no commandment against tattoos for other reasons.
 
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Not really. They weren't to get tattoos for the dead. There was no commandment against tattoos for other reasons.

Leviticus 19:28
28Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

A tattoo is a mark. Tattoos were forbidden.
 
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Leviticus 19:28
28Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

A tattoo is a mark. Tattoos were forbidden.

Context is clearly regarding honoring the dead whether cuttings or markings.

You do know God marked himself for us right?

Isaiah 49:16 - Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.
 
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Context is clearly regarding honoring the dead whether cuttings or markings.

You do know God marked himself for us right?

Isaiah 49:16 - Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

So, you are equating God graven himself with us printing ourselves. God says dont cut yourselves for the dead or print anything on your body. And this was right after God says dont round the corner of their beards and other things.

I guess people can rationalize anything. I dont think ot matters in this case since we're not under the mosaic law so im not going to argue the point other than God said dont print any marks upon you. Period.
 
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So, you are equating God graven himself with us printing ourselves. God says dont cut yourselves for the dead or print anything on your body. And this was right after God says dont round the corner of their beards and other things.

I guess people can rationalize anything. I dont think ot matters in this case since we're not under the mosaic law so im not going to argue the point other than God said dont print any marks upon you. Period.


There is no "period". It must be understood in context and that is doing these things "for the dead" and God marking himself proves that marks for other reasons are ok.
 
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There is wisdom, certainly, in some of what you say, I agree.

Regarding tattoos, it's interesting that my wife and I talked to a young lady with the whole of John 3.16 inked on her wrist area; it was her favorite verse in the Bible and mine also; and I'm sure other conversations have arisen also as a result of the young lady's willingness to have it done.

This passage of Scripture may shed some additional light on this topic. 1 Corinthians 10:23-33 NLT

All to God's Glory

"You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is good for you. You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is beneficial. Don’t be concerned for your own good but for the good of others.

So you may eat any meat that is sold in the marketplace without raising questions of conscience. For “the earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it.”

If someone who isn’t a believer asks you home for dinner, accept the invitation if you want to. Eat whatever is offered to you without raising questions of conscience. (But suppose someone tells you, “This meat was offered to an idol.” Don’t eat it, out of consideration for the conscience of the one who told you. It might not be a matter of conscience for you, but it is for the other person.) For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks? If I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, why should I be condemned for eating it?

So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. Don’t give offense to Jews or Gentiles or the church of God. I, too, try to please everyone in everything I do. I don’t just do what is best for me; I do what is best for others so that many may be saved"
 
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Yes it was still a rite of passage of sorts, even though it was an individual one and not with any familial affiliation.
Do you think that, particularly with a faith based design, the tattoo at around 18 can be a particularly meaningful rite of passage?
 
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