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What does Scripture Mean About Perfection?

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1 John 1:8King James Version (KJV)

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


Teaching that we can live sinless is a lie from Satan.

For the 10,000th time: The first part of 1 John is written to non-Christians, those outside the faith. 1 John 1:3: "What we have seen and heard we announce to you too, so that you may have fellowship with us (and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ)." You don't write that to Christians who already have heard the gospel and have fellowship with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.
 
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But what about the occasions when you do sin?


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HEY.... Wait.... what???? "the occasions when you do sin"?

How on earth is there going to be an "occasion when you do sin" if you are no longer sinning?


A better question is "Ya.... what about all those occasions that we do sin? Even when we are Christians. Even when we have eternal life. Even when we are baptized. Even when we are called "children of God"
and we sin.... what then?

Because, it happens every single day.
 
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What this verse is saying is... when we are Christians, there is no condemnation ahead of us. We have eternal life and no condemnation....If we are walking a and living a life with Jesus way in mind. When we live with God's ways as our goal and do not live for the flesh.

It does not say there is no condemnation for those who don't sin.
 
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Yes, I am not denying Christians cannot sin. But John also tells us to do what? To: "sin not." (1 John 2:1).


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OK, you can strive for a day when you do not sin anymore. Actually, all Christians should have that as a goal.

I just have a more realistic outlook. I said and I will say it again... no human can ever attain a point in their life where they cease sinning.

Argue all you want but be realistic and honest with yourself. Our goal is to be like Christ, while He knows and we know it is impossible. Even still.............we are His and we have salvation, we have eternal life.
 
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I posted the scripture as it is written in the KJV..... I read all different translations however the KJV is pretty clear here....

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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I skipped a lot of this thread, so pardon me if this has been answered.

Is there anyone who teaches sinless perfection living a life of constant sinless perfection? Are any such disciples of living a live sinless perfection?

I want to see the long-term results before I take a bite of your apple.
 
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So this command applied to everyone there at Pentecost.
Yes - those to whom Peter had just preached.

And when I have led people to the Lord, I told them to get baptized as well. No difference.
 
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Balaam also had a choice to do the right thing. It says greed was his error and it was not in him being exclusively a pagan.
Yes Baalam had a choice.
But he was doomed to hell either way.

The ONLY way he could change that destiny would have been to formally convert to Judaism, thereby joining into the Mosaic Covenant, and join the company of Israel.
Why would God care about what a pagan says? Their words have no power to God.
God cared because Baalam's words affected HIS people. Why did Og hire him in the first place? Because Baalam had demonic power in his words to curse.
 
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I posted the scripture as it is written in the KJV..... I read all different translations however the KJV is pretty clear here....

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I believe the KJV is perfect and divine;
In fact, it is my final Word of authority.

But read 1 John 1:8 from the perspective as if you did not believe sin exists and the verse is clear. For example: Christian Scientists believe sin is an illusion and is not real. So 1 John 1:8 is a warning for them not to believe that way. It is also a warning to those think future sin is forgiven them because they have a belief on Jesus. 1 John 1:9 gives us the proper solution to deal with sin and being forgiven.

For you cannot have 1 John 2:4 be true and your wrong interpretation on 1 John 1:8 be true because 1 John 2:4 says he that says he knows Him and does not keep His Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.


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If you lived during Noah's time, what would make you believe his message? He was a preacher of righteousness and there was no major floods destroying people as far as we know before Genesis 7. In other words, faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God.


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Good thing your words are not the Word of God or we would be in trouble. So let me get this straight. You don't believe you can retreat to a forest and camp out for a week and just read your Bible and pray the whole time? Did you bother to prayerfully consider the verses I posted in the OP?


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What do you think walking after the flesh means?

It means one is sinning.
For can you honestly say that the moment you sin that you are also walking after the Spirit?


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Sin is repented of. A believer generally walks uprightly most days of his existence. If not, he is being controlled by a different master. Jesus says we will know a good tree by it's fruit.


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There are many days I don't sin those types of sins that lead unto spiritual death. Are you saying this is not normal for you?

Pray to Jesus to help you overcome your sin. Stop sinning. The Lord God can help you. For nothing with God is impossible.


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How to stop sinning | HowToStopSinning.com


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Please show who the Christian scientists where who lived in Jesus day, 2,000 years ago that you speak of
 
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