Har har, arn't we gettting into the heated little discussion eh?
But, I believe you have only studies one side of the picture. When you start to look more into it, and really look at the facts, scrutinize and check and recheck what people have said, where the theory makes it facts and stance, it got quite a great number of holes in it.
If Evolution, was a Contested as the Bible, it would have been dismissed a long time ago.
Hmmm, it seems world religions (Which, most people in the world have a religion of one way or another) have been attacking or ignoring evolution ever since it came into existance in our science. These "Holes" you speak of have been tested and proven wrong many times. The only reason there are still these "Imaginary" holes in Evolution is because Scienintific developments take back seat to wars, sports, religion, and sex in the media.
Its been contested all the time, as you prove to me now with these links. And it still stands because it is a Theory. Theories are extremely, extremely hard to demolish. Hypothesises can be easy, but a Theory of this size is a giant supported by so much research and facts that it would not be easy to find credible or even existant threats to it.
I have seen a few of thier arguements and i shall counter with a few very credible scientificly-proven counter-arguements. Not only are they backed up by many secondary resources (As you will see in the articles), there is even a scientists by the name of Ken Miller. He is one of the top biological researchers in the U.S (Im tempted to say the world, but i wont stress it =P). He is also a Christian, so he has no agenda against religion in the least bit. He hates, HATES people lying about science though. So, ill give ya a few links...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg&search=intelligent%20design
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html
The First one is Ken Miller giving a lecture about Evolution vs. Creationism in which he shoots down some of the more advanced arguements against Evolution. The second is about the probiblity issue that Creationists bring up about life coming from goo. The third is an introduction (Very brief =P) into modern bioligy and the Theory of Evolution. The last is a breakdown against our favorite Creationist spokesperson Kent Hovind and his arguements for a "young earth" theory. They are some good reads and i advise you check em out =).
But, that takes a lot of faith.
Walking outside takes alot of faith. Who knows when the sidewalk will bunch up and aliens will pop out and eat me >.< . But, i dont worry about it because i have seen many facts about the sidewalk and aliens to know that the sidewalk wont move and the imaginary aliens aren't really there.
And PS: An Amoeba becoming 12 Foot Tall Animal all from natural reproduction, is nothing short of a miracle, to view it as anything else, is to discredit it.
It wasnt an amoeba first. It was a kinda goo so simple that it's only three functions were to Consume (Be that chemicals in the water or light or whatever), Excrete (No need to go into depth on that one... -.-), and Reproduce. When you look at bacteria today, you can see how quickly they evolve new functions. Virises, though not bacteria, evolve constantly to keep infecting new hosts that become immune to the old strain. Bacteria have even evolved new functions in two neat cases.
One was about a plant that made some sort of toxic substance. I think it was a plastic residue of some sort. Anyway, they dumped in into a holding lake for years. Needless to say with all those toxic chemicals in the water, not even bacteria could survive. So nothing could even live in the sludge for many years. 60 years later, scientists saw some fuzzy stuff on the surface of the lake. They took samples of it, and found that the bacteria (Which none before could have possibly survived on the water) had evolved a new chemical that broke down the residue and turned it into harmless food for the bacteria! Thats some major evolution in only 60 years!
Another is right in my state. There is a big hole in Butte, Montana that used to be a giant copper pit. In order to get copper from the ores (And many other valuable metals from ores like gold and stuff) they used arsenic and other extremely toxic chemicals. Well, the mine shut down, and the people didnt bother to clean up thier mess. So when it rained, it made a lake in the basin. This water in there is so toxic, even today, that birds landing on the surface would die (Not instantly, but eventually from the dangerous chemicals). Nothing should have been able to survive in it. But, our little friends the bacteria found a way to survive in such refuge. Its amazing how fast bacteria and other simple organisms can evolve.
But then again, each to their own faith.
One Can believe in Evolution and Jesus at the same time.
Ken Miller does =P
No, you misunderstand me.
Dinosaurs were first categorized at Reptiles. They were recognized and assumed to be reptiles. It was taught that they were reptiles for many years, Then we discover (Very Recently) that we were wrong and they were really birds, or avian like creatures.
Naw, dinosaurs were some sort of hybrid between the two.
The Theory of Evolution get an overhaul? Nope, remains unchanged.
So it was not dependent on facts? What kind of Theory is that?
New information is a godsend to Evolution. It means greater understanding of nature and it's many wonders. Discovering that Dinosaurs were avien was quite exciting, as it proved that reptiles could evolve into aviens, and did as all the evidence points to.
This statement is irrelevant. Cults have nothing to do with religion. I do not see cults of Daoism. Does that make it not a religion?
First off, Cults are small religions. World religions are just really big Cults. The word Cult gets a bad name because of all the funky people that use religion to get rich and gain power. But Cults are not all bad... the ones we hear about all the time usually are though, but thats not all the cults.
And what is Daoism? Oh, it reminds me of a funny quote someone said. They said "Atheism is a religion too because is has the "ism" on the end of it". Made me giggle ^.^
Well, now we enter muddy waters. Have you ever seen a species doe anything but subdivide?
Through fossils and DNA, sure i have!
Have you ever seen a Positive Mutation?
Yea... The bacteria created a new compound. But i am not sure if that was mutation. It could have been, and since it was so successful it dominated the older versions in terms of reproductions. Thats natral selection, but i am not sure if Micro Evolution is just a bucnha of small mutations or not... ill look it up sometime.
Have we ever witnessed anything that would support that DAN can be gained and lost, IE: a 12 Strand Chromosome animal, slowly becoming a 14 Chromosome animal?
Hehe, DAN =P We all have a bit of dan in all of us... ^.^
I know whatcha mean. Actually, the answer lies in our own DNA. Usually, when organisms evolve into greater complexity, they require more cromosones in order to keep the complex code in working order (I think of it like if you have a computer, and you have so much information that your computer cant hold it all, then you get another computer and link em together to hold all the info =D). But in humans, scientists found a problem that Creationists brought up.
It was a logical problem actually. When animals evolve, they may gain chromosones. But, losing even one will result in almost certain death to the organism (If on computer crashes, they all do). Now, Evolutionists claim that we come from lower primapes, such as chimpanzes and such. Well, humans have 46 chromosones and Chimps and all other primapes have 48. The challenge was, Humans could not have evolved from apes becase we seemed to have lost 2 chromosones, which should have killed the species.
Evolution could have been demolished by this challenge easily. And Scientists were pretty worried about it. So, they did as scientists do and tested it. They checked the human genome (Luckily completed a little before the question popped up) and they checked the chimp's genome. The hypothesis was that a pair must have fused in the evolution from ape to human, and was still in our genetic sequence in some way. Guess what? They were right. Its our second chromsone.
By the way, thats from Men Miller's movie, which is the first link i posted above. Its 2 hours long, but its a very good show =D
No, what we have is, Well, if people with blue eyes (Genetice Drift) are different then people with brown eyes and this difference is enough to support mass Scale Evolution.
Not just that, but it helps it out. My third link helps explain how that helps Evolution out.
That was until Evolution came to the picture. See, science is Good, Most of the Time, when it works in the here and now, Its when it gets into Origin Theories that it becomes muddled.
Occationally science hit a few bumps along the road the the truth. But Evolution hasnt been taken down in decades, so it seems very solid so far.
Umm yes, however, the Apple when it fell, at first was at rest. With no observable Force acting upon it. So it when it moved, there was concluded that, there must be an outside force acting upon this object.
The Force acting upon the apple, May have been a Pushing Force, what makes you so sure it was a pulling force?
But my bad, it really was the first Law, had to go look that up. But same principle applies.
Well, when the apple fell down (I cant remember if it was a myth that an apple fell on his head. I think it was, but thats beside the point) it went to the Earth. Newton saw this, and also saw other objects did the same. Now, he knew that a force must be acting on it for this to happen. It could be pushing down, or pulling down.
Dont ask me how he proved it wasnt a pushing motion. I dunno because i havent studied it. But, we have observed that large objects have more gravity than smaller ones, and they pull things into themselves.
Where do you get this from, Complete Skeletons?
They find what they find, and more often then not, its not that much. To find a complete skeleton is quite the find.
Scientists have had many "Quite the finds". And the incomplete skelitons they do find, they can analize the structure and recontruct the rest of what they are missing. Like a skull fragment or a leg. But, they dont "Mix and match" skelitons in order to make a complete skeliton. Scientists and even regular people could see that it was screwed up.
Yah, after Piltdown man
they got a little gun shy, which is a good thing. But what if they used that tooth to add to the collection of Human Progression and later found it false. Would the Theory of Evolution Suffer, or better yet, would the scientific community as a whole suffer? Hardly, It would be a blip on the map, like all the other mistakes and goofs, nothing more, and things would just keep going on. People would still rave at how great and pure and correct They are.
When asking Thomas Edison how he wasnt discuraged from making the lightbulb after 21 failed filiment materials, he responded "I didnt fail 21 one times. I just found 21 ways how not to make a lightbulb." Thats a scientific standard. If science gave up when we encounter a little bump, then we would still be using sticks and stones for civil disputes =P
Umm it doesnt need it. That is the joy of a Theory. It only needs to go as far as it wants. If Micro only explains what happens on a short Scale, (Which is what it does) then that is all it needs to it. Its viable, and helpful to scientific progress.
Extremely helpful to Macro too =D
Micro (Adaptation) Evolution, is what is used when people use the Theory of Evolution for biological study.
If we eliminated Macro, it would make no impact on Scientific study or progress at all, because, asides from the people digging up bones that use it to get grants, its a worthless theory.
There is no such thing as a worthless theory (Unless it's proven false). Knowledge of anything is the greatest gift i can think of. The know something and how things work. It just important not in the sense that we can build lasers and computers and stuff, but its important for the few of us who seek out the truth and occationally find little nuggets of it in the labs. Its like a miner toiling away in a coal mine and finds a diamond. Its very exciting and uplifting ^.^
What validity would it be, if people never saw it? If no one saw it, it would most likely never make it to Theory Level.
Hmmm, you could be right... Unless you take into account Gravity, Wind, Heat, Space, Vaccumes, Gasses, Matter, Air, Evaporation, Condensation... We cant see those. Unless you mean we can "Detect" them. In which case, we do Detect all of these cases and Evolution too.
