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Hikarifuru

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I think they could represent Three different Beings. Perhaps the first one is a Prophet, looking towards the stars for help. The second being a Holy Being or even a god who will can help the world or destroy it. And the third is Death. Death can come in and take anyone's life as long as they give him a chance. And the Three work together to keep the world going.
hmm... very interesting! I'd like to hear that story if you don't mind telling it.

by the way, Sam is the best character apart from Crowley and Castiel (;
Ah yes, Sam... he is my 2nd. Strong and completely loveable, but far too innocent and vulnerable. Have you ever seen Mr. Padalecki talk in real life? He's almost the same person!

Jensen is NOTHING like Dean
Jared is ALOT like Sam
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Misha is NOTHING like Castiel
 
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I look at it as life stages. First stage, beginnings, hope, dreams that are as limitless as the sky above, everything is upward and forward. Second, middle, views are more down to earth, the individual recognizes reality, but is also more accomplished. Third, the end, death is the great equalizer that comes to us all, hence its face, as well as other distinguishing marks, are gone. Notice the cane, also representative of old age. This is a glory less death.
 
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I look at it as life stages. First stage, beginnings, hope, dreams that are as limitless as the sky above, everything is upward and forward. Second, middle, views are more down to earth, the individual recognizes reality, but is also more accomplished. Third, the end, death is the great equalizer that comes to us all, hence its face, as well as other distinguishing marks, are gone. Notice the cane, also representative of old age. This is a glory less death.

Very interesting! :) I liked your view on the different seasons of life.
 
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what caught my eye is the third guy.....kinda wrapped up the way a corpse or mummy would be wrapped....he's sorta' like the "walking dead" isn't he?

Yeah, maybe dead is what it means to be all wrapped up, at least when its in yourself*
 
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Personally it is my view that God will not destroy the majority of his creation.
I see. I take the scriptures that say that few find the way to narrow way to life and that unless a man is born again you cannot see heaven to mean that very few do find life and that those who aren't born again go to hell and that is the VAST majority of humanity. Jude considered his efforts to save the lost to be properly worded with the expression "plucking them out of the fire" in Jude 1.23 and Paul felt like he HAD to go witness to everyone because if he could not or did not then what chance did humanity have? Romans 10.14 and onward.

When Peter spoke of Jesus witnessing to the dead in 1 Peter 3 this referring to what I have always considered to be Jesus preaching to the angels who the bible seems to say created the Nephilim (I know that this is widely speculated by the believers who care to deal with the origins of the giants before and after the flood. A lot of Christians don't even deal with that topic)

About 1 Peter chapter 4. I have always considered this to be referring Jesus preaching to the dead Saints of the Old testament who resided in a place we like to call Abrahams Bosom. Those that were indeed dead under the law but that had a faith to caused god to give them a non tormenting place near or in hell. Such as the place Jesus talks about in his story about the Rich man and Lazarus. The man was in torment and he saw Abraham there but Abraham was not in torment. Abraham was being treated differently and people like Abraham are who I believe the bible says were preached too and I believe this is why the bible says that these old dead Saints were seen on earth after Jesus returned Matt 27.53

I can find no New Testament teaching that says the dead will have the gospel preached to them sometime in the future so they can hear the gospel or accept it.


That is just from my personal experience with God. I see him as very kind and generous in spirit.
I understand, the bible does actually say he is such though I don't feel like his actions display that at all.

I could be wrong however, but i have never known him to be filled with wrath.
He created hell which is unspeakable wrath in substance and location. Hell is a pure reflection of the wrath that god is capable of and contains and he will actually put humans there, he even came to earth and died in an attempt to keep himself from doing it. In order to make a loop in the rule that he created.

As an example many people in the world think God destroyed all the people in Noah's flood and sent them to hell.
Well he did, that was the only place for them at the time and he did in fact kill them. Children watched their parents drown, parents watched their little ones drown and they probably tried to save them but god would not not have that. He killed them all because they weren't able to believe a man talking about a flood coming to kill them all. I wouldn't have believed it either.

In a similar way just because not the majority of the World are Christian does not mean God can't save them, even on their death beds.
How many people do you think die everyday? People are dying and they always have been and really really small percentage of them are or ever have been Christians. You talk about what god can or could do... but it hasn't been happening.

Personally I don't believe this view of man. Only some Christians think we are inately evil. I believe we all need Jesus because we have all sinned but I don't believe God made us sinners, beasts motivated only by sin.
Well I'm glad that you don't think humans are inherently evil. I can't believe such a thing either. Paul expressed that their was something inside him that caused him to do things he did not want to do and that that prevented him from doing what he wanted to do in Romans 7.

Paul said in Romans 5.18 that a single act, a single sin condemned the entire human race. The bible does that everyone has sinned but Paul elaborated on what people commonly call the sin nature by saying that one act brought sin into the world and that this single act caused the death of every human being. If this single act did it then it did effect us somehow, it caused it to be impossible for anyone to live righteously and for it to be impossible for anyone to not die. This seems to say that everyone begins evil. The bible does say that the human heart simply IS evil and deceitful beyond understanding, that it just is... Jer 17.9
 
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You mentioned that you feel that the vast majority of people will be in hell, the following is a story of a man who had God witness to him as he was dying, no one was around and God witnessed to him, and saved him. He actually died and went to heaven, God sent him back because he was told him mother would think he was in hell and could not cope with that idea. See Ian McCormack - Heaven Hell and the Box Jellyfish

This shows me that God saves people by himself. Some one may be a Muslim as an example and not have access to the gospel due to their societies restrictions, yet God can still save them Himself.

Sure Paul spoke of witnessing, but he did not obsess about it. He just said some one needs to preach. If I did not preach society would become corrupted. Our preaching is just to help society, not to rescue people from hell. Fear witnessing in my opinion is demonic.
 
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I can find no New Testament teaching that says the dead will have the gospel preached to them sometime in the future so they can hear the gospel or accept it.

I don't believe this either, you have one life time to repent. However if you read the scriptures at Why did God us a flood in the day of Noah you will see that the New Testament does appear to say that Jesus preached to the Spirits in prision "who were formally disobedient at the time of Noah", "so they could be judged like people in the flesh (meaning those who were alive). This seems to infer that God gave the people who died at Noah's time a chance of salvation. You will need to read the scriptures to see.
 
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I am aware of those scriptures and I mentioned them and what I thought of them in my last post, sorry.

No worries everybody is entitled to their own opinion. So what is your biggest fear about faith. What stops you from believing?

When I was young my fear was that God would ruin my life, or turn me into a witnessing machine. Both these ideas are not true, but it was still my fear. I did not become a believer because of this.
 
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No worries everybody is entitled to their own opinion. So what is your biggest fear about faith. What stops you from believing?

When I was young my fear was that God would ruin my life, or turn me into a witnessing machine. Both these ideas are not true, but it was still my fear. I did not become a believer because of this.

Well I just dont believe it, it isn't that I've chosen to not believe, that's not how belief works. You are either convinced or you are not. You don't choose to believe or not believe.

I believe the story is unreasonable and incredibly horrible and not evidenced.
 
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I believe the story is unreasonable and incredibly horrible and not evidenced.

I guess for me I see it this way, if God was wanting to make his GREAT POWER known, he would not part water in a tea cup. Or do small things. He would do big things. So they would to us appear to be unreasonable, or impossible. Yet with God all things are possible.

I believe God has given us the example of BIG miracles, so we can expect big things, not small. So we try to achieve the great not the mediocre.

Just for interest sake the following is a link to a website run by christian doctors that list cases of verifiable divine healing DIVINE HEALING CASES I believe God still heals today, in fact he has done it through me once or twice.
 
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I guess for me I see it this way, if God was wanting to make his GREAT POWER known, he would not part water in a tea cup. Or do small things. He would do big things. So they would to us appear to be unreasonable, or impossible. Yet with God all things are possible.

I believe God has given us the example of BIG miracles, so we can expect big things, not small. So we try to achieve the great not the mediocre.

Just for interest sake the following is a link to a website run by christian doctors that list cases of verifiable divine healing DIVINE HEALING CASES I believe God still heals today, in fact he has done it through me once or twice.

That's an interesting though, hmmm. While I myself think that if he were real he would need to and could deal with each of us personally in a way we could understand, I like the thought that you've provided.
 
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You mentioned that it would be good if God could communicate to people in ways that they could understand. As a Christian I believe God does, at various times in our life do that. But it is up to us how we respond. If we choose our sin over God, then we are given over to deception, we no longer retain the knowledge that God has given us.

Rom 1:21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.
 
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You mentioned that it would be good if God could communicate to people in ways that they could understand. As a Christian I believe God does, at various times in our life do that. But it is up to us how we respond. If we choose our sin over God, then we are given over to deception, we no longer retain the knowledge that God has given us.

Rom 1:21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened.

I think it's a reasonable conclusion on Paul's part to believe that the reason these people did not understand or see god was because they had at one point but they rejected him and so god surrendered them to the darkness of their minds, surrendered them to confusion.

I don't believe that's the case but I can see why he'd think that. Some ex-christians came to a place where they struggled and needed god and sought after him and just never found him, their problems were never resolved, they didn't survive their desert experience as some would call it, they failed their test or trying time and they actually died spiritually, when they had actually did they best they could.
 
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... they actually died spiritually, when they had actually did they best they could.

This is the case often times, however I feel that God will again reach out to these people. My view is that while a person is alive God is still there reaching out, he does not give up easy.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Eze 18:31-32 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
 
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I understand... I just don't feel like a god who lets most everyone die is really trying hard. I don't think this "I'm trying" is congruent with a god. People try to talk to him, try to hear him, seek him and never find him and god was trying the whole time too? I mean... that doesnt sound like a god to me.
 
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Anyone got an idea what this picture means? I thoroughly enjoy these sort of things. Anyone care to tell write something about it?
the goblin showed up and although he didn't want to detract anything from anyone wishing to hijack the thread to relate the nature of their faith and conjectures towards god here, instead he merely felt like he'd like to give a try and interpret the picture for himself as requested, smiling "...the first man is looking upwards for an answer then, whereas the second man is looking inwards for an answer, but the third man is as death looking directly at you for your answer perhaps, where I suppose if you're still able to look at the picture here, doesn't that just mean that your soul isn't ready and that your homework awaits still..."

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the goblin showed up and although he didn't want to detract anything from anyone wishing to hijack the thread to relate the nature of their faith and conjectures towards god here, instead he merely felt like he'd like to give a try and interpret the picture for himself as requested, smiling "...the first man is looking upwards for an answer then, whereas the second man is looking inwards for an answer, but the third man is as death looking directly at you for your answer perhaps, where I suppose if you're still able to look at the picture here, doesn't that just mean that your soul isn't ready and that your homework awaits still..."

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VERY GOOD!
 
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