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What does it mean when you say you believe in Jesus?

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Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.

Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?

It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.

I was told I was wrong.

What say ye?

God Bless

Till all are one.
 

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Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.

Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?

It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.

I was told I was wrong.

What say ye?

God Bless

Till all are one.

Right. You need to trust in Jesus as the solution to you being less than perfect.
In General, not any specifics are needed. It's a Spiritual thing between you and God.
 
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Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.

Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?

It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.

I was told I was wrong.

What say ye?

God Bless

Till all are one.

Hey.

You are absolutely correct. Salvation is accepting those things and admitting them.

A relationship with God through Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit:)
 
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Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.

Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?

It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.

I was told I was wrong.

What say ye?

God Bless

Till all are one.


I hope this is what you are looking for:

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

1 John 2:5-6
But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him.
 
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Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.

Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?

It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.

I was told I was wrong.

What say ye?

God Bless

Till all are one.
My personal understanding is that the "belief" he seeks is one which comes with action. If you open the KJV (I am not KJV only but this is the only way you can see this in English)... go to John 3:16. You'll notice it says, "he that believeth." Now if you go to a verse like James 2:19, we see, "the devils also believe and they tremble." Why the "eth" in John 3:16 and not in James 2:19? Because the KJV translators were attempting to represent the form each word was in. In John 3:16 the word "belief" was in an active form, whereas in James 2:19 it was more passive. So the believeth in John 3:16 is being so convinced about him that your belief is SHOWN in many ways... like a change in lifestyle, obedience, works. The form in James 2:19 is just being convinced but not to the point of action.

So, proper "belief" is more like faith as faith comes by hearing but is dead without works. The just live by faith.
 
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I hope this is what you are looking for:

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

1 John 2:5-6
But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him.

Kinda, I was in a discussion and a member here told me that all you had to do was believe in Jesus. While that is true, there is way more to it than that.

If you don't believe also what the scriptures say about our Lord and Savior, then you may be just like some people who believe in Jesus, He was a good man, a great prophet, but not the Son of the Living God.

See what I mean?

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Our minds are idol factories, so in our walk of faith it is our duty to come to the greatest understanding of exactly Who it is that we claim as our Lord, else we end up worshiping an intellectual idol of our own making at our peril.

It is one thing to say, "I believe in Jesus", quite another when someone asks exactly who this Jesus is.

Hopefully as one grows in their faith, they will be able to affirm the following:

Our Lord was fully God and fully man in an indissoluble union whereby the second subsistence of the Trinity assumed a human nature that cannot be separated, divided, mixed, or confused.

One can best understand this mystical union (together united in one distinguishable subsistence) by examining what it is not, thus from the process of elimination determine what it must be.

The mystical union of the divine and human natures of Our Lord is not:

1. a denial that our Lord was truly God (Ebionites, Elkasites, Arians);
2. a dissimilar or different substance (anomoios) with the Father (semi-Arianism);
3. a denial that our Lord had a genuine human soul (Apollinarians);
4. a denial of a distinct subsistence in the Trinity (Dynamic Monarchianism);
5. God acting merely in the forms of the Son and Spirit (Modalistic Monarchianism/Sabellianism/United Pentecostal Church);
6. a mixture or change when the two natures were united (Eutychianism/Monophysitism);
7. two distinct subsistences (often called persons) (Nestorianism);
8. a denial of the true humanity of Christ (docetism);
9. a view that God the Son laid aside all or some of His divine attributes (kenoticism);
10. a view that there was a communication of the attributes between the divine and human natures (Lutheranism, with respect to the Lord's Supper); and
11. a view that our Lord existed independently as a human before God entered His body (Adoptionism).

The Chalcedonian Definition is one of the few statements that all of orthodox Christendom recognizes as the most faithful summary of the teachings of the Scriptures on the matter of the Incarnate Christ. The Chalcedonian Definition was the answer to the many heterodoxies identified above during the third century.
 
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Our minds are idol factories, so in our walk of faith it is our duty to come to the greatest understanding of exactly Who it is that we claim as our Lord, else we end up worshiping an intellectual idol of our own making at our peril.

It is one thing to say, "I believe in Jesus", quite another when someone asks exactly who this Jesus is.

Hopefully as one grows in their faith, they will be able to affirm the following:

Our Lord was fully God and fully man in an indissoluble union whereby the second subsistence of the Trinity assumed a human nature that cannot be separated, divided, mixed, or confused.

One can best understand this mystical union (together united in one distinguishable subsistence) by examining what it is not, thus from the process of elimination determine what it must be.

The mystical union of the divine and human natures of Our Lord is not:

1. a denial that our Lord was truly God (Ebionites, Elkasites, Arians);
2. a dissimilar or different substance (anomoios) with the Father (semi-Arianism);
3. a denial that our Lord had a genuine human soul (Apollinarians);
4. a denial of a distinct subsistence in the Trinity (Dynamic Monarchianism);
5. God acting merely in the forms of the Son and Spirit (Modalistic Monarchianism/Sabellianism/United Pentecostal Church);
6. a mixture or change when the two natures were united (Eutychianism/Monophysitism);
7. two distinct subsistences (often called persons) (Nestorianism);
8. a denial of the true humanity of Christ (docetism);
9. a view that God the Son laid aside all or some of His divine attributes (kenoticism);
10. a view that there was a communication of the attributes between the divine and human natures (Lutheranism, with respect to the Lord's Supper); and
11. a view that our Lord existed independently as a human before God entered His body (Adoptionism).

The Chalcedonian Definition is one of the few statements that all of orthodox Christendom recognizes as the most faithful summary of the teachings of the Scriptures on the matter of the Incarnate Christ. The Chalcedonian Definition was the answer to the many heterodoxies identified above during the third century.

I believe we are on the same page, but just to be sure, to say one believes in Jesus, it also means that one believes what scriptures say and teach about Him.

Correct?

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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I believe we are on the same page, but just to be sure, to say one believes in Jesus, it also means that one believes what scriptures say and teach about Him.

Correct?
Yes, of course, as it is within Scripture alone that He who was named "Jesus" is revealed.
 
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Yes, of course, as it is within Scripture alone that He who was named "Jesus" is revealed.

Thanks brother.

I was beginning to think I was wrong.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.

Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?

It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.

I was told I was wrong.

What say ye?

I say you are correct. This reminds me of a line from the song "Truth" by Lecrae, where he say's "Jesus might as well be a South American president" in which he is lyrically battling the notion "All truth is relative, it just depends on what you believe."


Lyrics
 
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Reminds me of the typical Gospel discussions that center around finding one verse that is "The Gospel".

In a fast food society that likes just snippets it is wrong to assume that but the concise summary of the Gospel in 1 Cor 15 is the only time that Paul calls something "the Gospel". For example, the entire letter of Romans is repeatedly referred to by Paul as "my Gospel".

There may be a shorthand way of saying certain things to people who already understand something, but there are no shortcuts by just saying a minimal number of words to a listener and assuming that the person listening has understood the Gospel.

Folks, sentences in the scriptures are not incantations. We are called to press these things into the understanding of our hearers and explain and argue for certain ideas (1 Cor. 10:5). Yes, we may start out with something very basic, as in 1 Cor 15, but we will have to give further explanations or corrections of some matters if a person is inferring something improperly.

For example, Paul's Roman's Road to Salvation, Romans 3:23; 6:23; 8:1; 10:9; 10:13, is steeped in unstated presuppositions that will require explanation to the typical non-believer.

In another related example, seriously consider what must be presupposed in the concise summary statement of the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. For example, "sins" presupposes a moral inability; "our" presupposes a marking out of persons, "died for" presupposes particularization of persons; "rose again" presupposes a calling that is effective and provides utmost perseverance.

If a person goes off and develops a poor understanding which undermines the basic theological framework above, he or she denies the very underlying basis of the Gospel—those presuppositions left unexplained by using Gospel shorthanded expressions—and thereby weakens one's own faith.

At the end of the day, people need to stop and consider how one could accurately present any Gospel that denies...

(1) man's wholesale rebellion in sin from birth,
(2) the right of God the Father to punish men for their sin,
(3) God the Father's sending of His son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, incarnated as fully God and fully man, out of His mere grace and not for anything men deserved,
(4) Our Lord's sacrifice on a cross for sin, satisfying the wrath of God the Father for only the ones so given to Our Lord (John 6:37; John 6:39; John 10:29; John 17:11-12; John 17:9;John 17:22; John 18:9),
(5) Our Lord saving to the uttermost all who are efficaciously drawn near by God the Holy Spirit,
(6) God the Father loving His chosen before they loved Him,
(7) the resurrection of Our Lord, or
(8) even the power of the Gospel to be the source of life.

The Gospel is more than just a sentence or two lifted from the full counsel of Scripture. Rather, as did Paul, the message of the Gospel requires us to take every word captive for the glory of God.
 
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My personal understanding is that the "belief" he seeks is one which comes with action. If you open the KJV (I am not KJV only but this is the only way you can see this in English)... go to John 3:16. You'll notice it says, "he that believeth." Now if you go to a verse like James 2:19, we see, "the devils also believe and they tremble." Why the "eth" in John 3:16 and not in James 2:19? Because the KJV translators were attempting to represent the form each word was in. In John 3:16 the word "belief" was in an active form, whereas in James 2:19 it was more passive. So the believeth in John 3:16 is being so convinced about him that your belief is SHOWN in many ways... like a change in lifestyle, obedience, works. The form in James 2:19 is just being convinced but not to the point of action.

So, proper "belief" is more like faith as faith comes by hearing but is dead without works. The just live by faith.

Of course, your right also.

But, as in most cases, there are exceptions "to the rule".

Now I know he was on his death bed, and could do nothing more than admit he was a sinner and that he believed in who He was.

The thief on the cross.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.

Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?

It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.

I was told I was wrong.

What say ye?

God Bless

Till all are one.

Told you are wrong about what?
 
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Told you are wrong about what?

To say you believe in Jesus, requires one to believe what everything in scripture says about our Lord.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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To say you believe in Jesus, requires one to believe what everything in scripture says about our Lord.

God Bless

Till all are one.

What was the alternative view being offered?
 
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What was the alternative view being offered?

Just saying you believe in Jesus was enough. And the individual cited several verses in which it says simply believe.

Well, the truth of the matter is scriptures also say the demons believe, but does that make them saved?

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Just saying you believe in Jesus was enough. And the individual cited several verses in which it says simply believe.

Well, the truth of the matter is scriptures also say the demons believe, but does that make them saved?

God Bless

Till all are one.

Well yes I think you are right, the thief on the cross expressed contrition as well as belief, for example. The idea that belief is in itself a kind of magic ticket requires ignoring a lot of the NT.
 
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Of course, your right also.

But, as in most cases, there are exceptions "to the rule".

Now I know he was on his death bed, and could do nothing more than admit he was a sinner and that he believed in who He was.

The thief on the cross.

God Bless

Till all are one.
Faith comes by HEARING and Hearing by the Word of God. Faith without works is dead. So... we have to hear God and act on what we hear.

Even the thief heard and acted... his action was internal, in the heart, but he acted. :)
 
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