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1 John 2:15 verse do not be a lover of this of this world or things in it. What does exactly this verse mean I’ve been a Christian for 12 years and never fully understood it. Some preachers told me they interpreted as do not love sin. I’ve been told it means do not love nothing of this world more than God. I also been told it means do not be friends with unbelievers. What do yall think the true meaning of this verse means ?
 

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To me it came across like this:

We are not Humans that are on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings that is on a Human journey.

W hit the ground hard and it gave us amnesia, so we don't remember before our human birth, and therein is our test. This earth is a carnival of horrors and death and so we must elevate our spirits unto God and since we believe in God we know that our time here is temporary, so even if you thought it was fun in a particular funhouse, do not go in to that funhouse for it is but a lie and leads to death. So don't like anything on earth and give unto God what belongs to God. When we give our lives to the Lord, we are giving ourselves to the Lord and if you remember that we are a spiritual being and have a spiritual mission within the construct of Human and materialism, go save other souls for the Master.

That makes it easier to live truth and to be a son of God. It doesn't matter how wholesome any worldly activity is, it is of the materialistic worldly devices of man so can be abhorred and kept in perspective while we work to accomplish our mission.

Does that make sense to you?
 
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do not be friends with unbelievers. What do yall think the true meaning of this verse means ?

The Lord had lots to say which explain that verse.

2 Corinthians 6:14 1 John 2:15 Psalm 1:1-6 James 4:4 Romans 12:2 Matthew 10:14 John 15:18-19 Proverbs 13:20 1 Corinthians 15:33 1 John 1:7 Colossians 3:5 Galatians 5:13

I think all those verses contain the instruction and warnings about hanging out with unbelievers. Hanging out with unbelievers can be ok if the topic of conversation is of the Lord. But if the unbeliever says hey let's talk God tomorrow and go have fun tonight, then the question is really, will you turn your back on God to experience the pleasures of the flesh? The answer must be no.
 
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I might add...

There was a historian Tacitus of the Latin church era who recorded that there was a time pre-Constantine where the Jewish followers of Jesus had it right.

The Catholic document declares that there were many Jews and non-Pauline Jewish followers of Jesus in Rome only a dozen or so years after the crucifixion. Both were expelled around 50 AD by Claudius over clashes between the two, disputes blamed on the Jesus followers. But as you will see , the violence was not at the hands of the followers.

Tacitus records a number of referrals to these followers, one still contested to this day as being a reference to the Christ; but one sentence that stands out that everyone seems to conveniently overlook is that the Jewish followers of Jesus were condemned for their "hatred of mankind".

Now anyone knowing about Jesus might ask how could His original non-violent and loving neighbour as self followers be accused of such a thing.

But if you look at it from the Jewish or Roman side of things, these followers would not be seen as violent but just the opposite and contrary to the ideals of man. They truly followed the teachings of Jesus and rejected the ideals mankind had lived by for millennia. They rejected man's authourity in favour of God's. This made them not only rebellious in nature to society as a whole, but seen as hating all that mankind stood for in their selfish pursuits, thus haters of mankind. And rightly so as Jesus taught, and as God showed when expelling man from the Garden.

So as I said, the Jewish followers of Jesus had it right as recorded both by the historian Tacitus and the Latin church. Yet today as Jesus taught (when He spoke of division between man or families, etc., over His Kingdom) that same division and clash exists within Christianity today as mankind hating followers of Jesus irk the nature of the worldly Christian, no different than it did the Romans and Jews.

The followers are accused of hating Christianity and not supporting fellow Christians (in reality the worldly aspect of it) when in fact they are the only ones doing as the original followers did. The division is compounded by the fact that the politicly sanctioned church that spoke of the Jewish followers having it right, a mere hundred and fifty years later rejected the right way and returned to the ways of man siding with the Romans and Jews, revamping the religion to defend it's fallen position, and the blind have taught the blind to do so ever since, regardless of offshoot denomination. Believing in Jesus is useless if we don't do what He taught. Even the demons knew who He was, but they too rejected his ways and refused to follow any ideals other than what man has followed since the Garden..

Does this mean there is a right denomination within Christianity, or anywhere else, while the others are wrong? No.

It means since those first dozen years, that in every church and denomination within Christianity there is division between those in the majority who still try to have God blend with their world and those in the minority who reject man's world for God's will. Jesus never was a fan of the majority or the trappings of man. His teachings do eventually reach those willing to let go of their security blanket built upon the sand of human tradition, preferring instead the ways of the Kingdom built upon a solid unrefutable foundation.
 
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So this is either a good question which continues division of opinion, or a good question where there is only one belief.



When did Jesus say that He knew the love of God ( the Father) is not in them ?

Jesus shows He came in HIs Fathers name, and they did not receive Him, ( did not believe in Him) if another comes in their OWN NAME, they receive him.

Why do they believe those who receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that comes from GOD ONLY ?

That world passes away, if you do the worlds will you pass with it, if you did the will of God you abide for ever.

The antichrist spirit came, they went out from the believers, to manifest they were not of the believers.

We are written to, because we KNOW ALL THINGS, that we know THE TRUTH, that NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH.

The liar, ( antichrist spirit) denies that Jesus is the Christ, they do not acknowledge the Son, to have the Son and the Father. ( as Jesus said, Jesus came in the Fathers name, and they do not receive Him, if another comes in his own name, him they receive, how do they believe those who receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that comes from God only.)




John 5:42 But I KNOW YOU, THAT YE HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN HIM.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
 
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1 John 2:15 verse do not be a lover of this of this world or things in it. What does exactly this verse mean I’ve been a Christian for 12 years and never fully understood it. Some preachers told me they interpreted as do not love sin. I’ve been told it means do not love nothing of this world more than God. I also been told it means do not be friends with unbelievers. What do yall think the true meaning of this verse means ?
Jesus says you cannot serve two masters (Luke 16:13). These passages expound upon one another. So in all you do seek the will of your heavenly Father and you will not worry that you are a lover of this world.
 
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I will answer you as Jesus and our Father has taught me, that you must be turned towards Heaven to arrive there:

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

What you are attracted to you will turn to:

21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Bodies of flesh are also treasures of earth, we are light and must love light, and stay attracted to light:

8For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light

It is also light within our neighbour that we must Love:

4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.

When He says:

31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself

He says we are to love the light of God within them above all, cause just as we are not to love darkness within ourselves, but repent from it, we also must love others the same way, love the light of God within them, but not their darkness:

31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself

Luke 24:47
and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
 
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What you are attracted to you will turn to:

What you turn to you focus on.
What you focus on you connect with.
What you connect with you activate.

Does that make sense?

Bodies of flesh are also treasures of earth, we are light and must love light, and stay attracted to light:

I once prayed for discernment and the Lord said practice like this, try to see Me in who you gaze upon...

To look for Jesus within other people on earth. I never thought about that before. And it's like scripture says, let you light shine before the world and you can see this, albeit not very often.

Scripture says we are light beings and I've heard one Testimony of the same. You know what else I noticed? :

If I said he is my flesh and blood. WHat do I mean? My relative, son probably. But it was not always so to be spoken like that. Adam said about Eve, she is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. He didn't say flesh and blood. Maybe Adam and Eve did not have blood as we know it before the fall. Why? Because I heard that scientists now suspect that blood is made out of congealed light. So perhaps our inner light became congealed in the fall.

Now I have no idea if that is true. But it is interesting and seems to agree with scripture some also. So I tink it could be true. Congealed light, wow.
 
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He says we are to love the light of God within them above all, cause just as we are not to love darkness within ourselves, but repent from it, we also must love others the same way, love the light of God within them, but not their darkness:

That is very profound and well said. And we should be able to do this! It comes with aquiring the character of Christ. And not only for our favorite neighbors but for our worst enemies too!
 
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What you turn to you focus on.
What you focus on you connect with.
What you connect with you activate.

Does that make sense?



I once prayed for discernment and the Lord said practice like this, try to see Me in who you gaze upon...

To look for Jesus within other people on earth. I never thought about that before. And it's like scripture says, let you light shine before the world and you can see this, albeit not very often.

Scripture says we are light beings and I've heard one Testimony of the same. You know what else I noticed? :

If I said he is my flesh and blood. WHat do I mean? My relative, son probably. But it was not always so to be spoken like that. Adam said about Eve, she is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. He didn't say flesh and blood. Maybe Adam and Eve did not have blood as we know it before the fall. Why? Because I heard that scientists now suspect that blood is made out of congealed light. So perhaps our inner light became congealed in the fall.

Now I have no idea if that is true. But it is interesting and seems to agree with scripture some also. So I tink it could be true. Congealed light, wow.

That is very Holy, to see the light of God inside other people, I am very happy for you.

Was it a success, did you see?

But The Son in the image of God was before man and woman, man and woman must reunite to become His body 1 Corinthians 11:11.

Well there we are certainly light in the Lord:

Ephesians 5:8

For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
 
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No, that is not the way to thank the Lord for a miracle gift.

Kindly do it again and again, praise Him for giving you the gift, and Love Him more for it.

When I was given tongues, I sang for hours and hours, and it led me forward on the way that Jesus is.

He will give us miracle gifts for a reason, could you try again?
 
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to overcome this world as Jesus overcame, ( Revelation 3:21.) is to not be a lover of this world. ( see how He overcame)


John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
 
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1 John 2:15 verse do not be a lover of this of this world or things in it. What does exactly this verse mean I’ve been a Christian for 12 years and never fully understood it. Some preachers told me they interpreted as do not love sin. I’ve been told it means do not love nothing of this world more than God. I also been told it means do not be friends with unbelievers. What do yall think the true meaning of this verse means ?
One aspect of this is fleshed out by Paul in Romans, "Do not be conformed to this world..."
Exposition here
 
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Jesus brought this to the fore in His parable about The Sower & The Seed [Matthew 13:1-9, 18-23].
"And some [seed] fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them." Matt.13:7 NKJV

"Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful." Matt. 13:22 NKJV
Using Things and Loving People, BJ Thomas (1979)
 
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1 John 2:15 verse do not be a lover of this of this world or things in it. What does exactly this verse mean I’ve been a Christian for 12 years and never fully understood it. Some preachers told me they interpreted as do not love sin. I’ve been told it means do not love nothing of this world more than God. I also been told it means do not be friends with unbelievers. What do yall think the true meaning of this verse means ?

The New Testament often uses a word, kosmos, which is translated as "world". But the word kosmos is multifaceted.

For some background, the literal meaning of kosmos is "order" or "arrangement". The early pre-Socratic Greek philosophers were often very interested in asking the question about what is everything. Why is there all this that we see and experience? And what is it? The word they chose to use to describe the order, or arrangement of what they experienced--the world/universe/creation/nature etc--is kosmos. It spoke of the fact that there is an ordered reality of experience and sensation, and thus they also wanted to know how and in what way it was ordered. Different philosophers answered these sorts of questions in different ways.

By the time of the New Testament kosmos could mean "world" in the sense of the natural order, the realm of man and civilization, or how the world of human beings is governed (by civil or natural or divine or spiritual laws of different kinds).

As such, this word kosmos gets used in different ways. On the one hand John 3:16 says "God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son" and on the other hand 1 John 2:15 says "If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

Another concept we see in Scripture is aion, "age"; in some (usually older) translations this also gets translated as "world" (because "world" in English used to be more complex in meaning). When Paul writes that the devil is "the god of this world" he is saying the devil is the "ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου" ("the god of this age"), speaking of this present age or time, where sin and death exist, the fallen state of things.

In the same kind of way kosmos, as order and arrangement, talks about the current order or way of things; how things are right now in the world, the way things work in the world, with all the evil, sin, and death at present.

So when John 3:16 says God so loved the world, it means God's love for us, for His creation, and His will, purpose, and intent to redeem, rescue, and heal through Jesus Christ.

But when 2 John 2:15 says anyone who loves the world does not have God's love, it is talking about attachment, affection, and love of the present order of things.

On the one hand, God's creation is good, after all Scripture says God saw all that He made and that it was me'od tov (exceedingly lovely and good).

On the other hand, sin and death has come into the world and created is a pollutant corrupting and infecting everything, and the way of things as they are now is not good, it's evil.

It is that latter idea that loving the world or "friendship with the world" (James 4:4) is wrong, it is contrary to God. To cling to the present way of things, of corruption and power and earthly glory is antithetical to the way and will of God. In this we are to have no affection for the world, to have nothing in common with it, to detest it. Not the creation of God, which is good. It does not mean don't go to work, or have a family, or make friends; there are good things in the world and there are things we need to do to survive in the world. But do not have the same values that the world has, do not prioritize what the world prioritizes. Do not be conformed to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Do not be conformed to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Exactly. Man has made the world in our own self serving selfish image, whereas we are taught to not be selfish but love all as self. A way of life not acceptable to most any more than the peace and love concept was to adults 60 years ago.
 
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a lover of this world is to be a lover of all ways of this life that is to pass away, who will pass away with it, and all the words that anyone is able to speak will pass away, there are only certain words that will never pass away, and all tongues that are occupied with chatting cant be busy with doing the things they talked about.


Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

1 Corinthians 7:31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
 
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