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God's foreknowlege has nothing to do with the fact that Mary did have a choice. She was best suited because her will was united to the will of God.If there was someone more suited to the task than Mary, God would have chosen her.
You think God didn't know before hand? Please.
Please step down from the pulpit and realize that nobody is dishounoring Mary. Are you seriously suggesting that She could have thwarted God?
Still...I am curious as to why YOU believe it is blasphemous...
I'm just trying to figure it all out.
This wasn't a statment that "it doesn't matter" it's a question, DOES it matter.
If the Marian dogmas are true then the Chruch is the RCC.
If they are not true then this Mary attention is blasphemy against God.
And how is this different from asking others to pray for us. If the prayers are answered, it was God's grace we received...no?Where do i start?
How about the belief that Mary is the holder and decision maker of grace?
HOw about the Total Consecration to Mary, which would take the qualities that the Holy Ghost posesses to do? Is there a Mary Spirit?
And how is this different from asking others to pray for us. If the prayers are answered, it was God's grace we received...no?
Mary spirit??? If you are trying to say that we place Mary on the same level as the Holy Spirit then you are wrong.
edited out. Spoke poorly. Spoke rudely. Beg forgiveness of those offended.Pathetic and typical ad hominem aside.
People have free will, if Mary is not responsible for her yes to God then Adam is not responsible for his disastrous yes either. You cannot logically have it both ways.
no, Orthodox and RCC may very well be correct about the Marian Dogmas. The OP specifically states that we are assuming they are. I am not "proving false" what they believe, but asking what impact it has on my salvation if I do not believe it.The only answers to your question are: yes or no.
If the answer is yes, then you admit that your stance is wrong, and I just don't see that as possible.
If the answer is no, then you think that you have proven that Catholic and Orthodox faiths are wrong.
The point is, that you are not merely asking a question, you are trying to prove that you are right.
These are the two possible answers to the OP.
And here we have the conclusion to be reached from the naysayers of the OP question.
Actually being "saved" before her birth would have no impact on her free-will. Adam and Eve were created without sin, but still had free-will to reject God.Pathetic and typical Self-aggrandization aside,
You didn't answer the question. Could Mary have thwarted God.
Besides that, if God "saved" Mary prior to her birth, he removed her free will to reject Christ as well... so it's okay in your beliefs, but not ok in others. hmmm...
no, Orthodox and RCC may very well be correct about the Marian Dogmas. The OP specifically states that we are assuming they are. I am not "proving false" what they believe, but asking what impact it has on my salvation if I do not believe it.
Scenerio:
A woman was given foreknowlege by God of your death. She saw that you would die in a burning building at some unknown time and point in your life. She was told by God that she could have a son that would save you, if only she accepted the burden that accompanied it, which included the death of her own son. She accepted this burden and brought forth a son, whom she raised and loved. The time came for her son to fulfill the purpose of his life...to save your life. Your destiny had been changed by her decision to follow God's will. You no longer die in a burning building, but live as a result of His death.
where does this come from? I have never once made allusions to the salvation of others.Then the only thing that has any importance is your own personal salvation. But you are not in this forum to promote your salvation, you post in this forum to deny others' rights to to their salvation.
You can argue that what is between you and God excludes Marian Dogmas, I accept that.
But that is not enough. Only removal of something that you don't like will ever please you.
What does not matter to you is that others find comfort and joy in that which you abhor. What does not matter is Christian charity and tolerance.
You have chosen offence and I have chosen defence, because it is not really about the Virgin Mary. Your problem is with the Catholic and Orthodox churches and the need to cause doubt and unhappiness in the hearts of others.
Now that does matter, more than anything else, to me.
Actually being "saved" before her birth would have no impact on her free-will. Adam and Eve were created without sin, but still had free-will to reject God.
Mary CHOSE to accept God's will. Not sure what you are asking with "Could Mary have thwarted God?"
Then the only thing that has any importance is your own personal salvation. But you are not in this forum to promote your salvation, you post in this forum to deny others' rights to to their salvation.
You can argue that what is between you and God excludes Marian Dogmas, I accept that.
But that is not enough. Only removal of something that you don't like will ever please you.
What does not matter to you is that others find comfort and joy in that which you abhor. What does not matter is Christian charity and tolerance.
You have chosen offence and I have chosen defence, because it is not really about the Virgin Mary. Your problem is with the Catholic and Orthodox churches and the need to cause doubt and unhappiness in the hearts of others.
Now that does matter, more than anything else, to me.
Actually being "saved" before her birth would have no impact on her free-will. Adam and Eve were created without sin, but still had free-will to reject God.
Mary CHOSE to accept God's will. Not sure what you are asking with "Could Mary have thwarted God?"
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