What does having 96% chimp dna mean to you?

[dmmesdale]

how exactly? and why you call it a fact when its not?

Its like i can't fix this machine unless i have a proper understanding and belief of bigfoot firmly ensconced in my head.
Can't create a budget unless i have an extensive understanding of ancient Hittite economic systems. The double helix would have never been discovered without the background of the elusive common ancestor firmy established as their foundational thinking.

National Socialism is applied biology. Hess.

 

[Noxot]

people are both equal and not equal but darwins racism has nothing to do with pure science.

Its like i can't fix this machine unless i have a proper understanding and belief of bigfoot firmly ensconced in my head.
Can't create a budget unless i have an extensive understanding of ancient Hittite economic systems. The double helix would have never been discovered without the background of the elusive common ancestor firmy established as their foundational thinking.

apply this logic to your own lines of reasoning then.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Its like i can't fix this machine unless i have a proper understanding and belief of bigfoot firmly ensconced in my head.
Can't create a budget unless i have an extensive understanding of ancient Hittite economic systems. The double helix would have never been discovered without the background of the elusive common ancestor firmy established as their foundational thinking.

Agreed. How did we even survive this long without the ToE. (I'm just sniping from the cheap seats, but that's all I've got right now.)

 

[Speedwell]

Agreed. How did we even survive this long without the ToE.

What I want to know is how Christianity survived for almost two millenia without fundamentalist Protestants to tell us the right way to believe.

 

[pitabread]

Evolution is the attempt to explain the creation without involving a creator.

Evolution explains the biodiversity of species based on observable mechanisms. If there were observable mechanisms by which a 'creator' is specifically creating modern organisms, then I'm sure that could be incorporated.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What I want to know is how Christianity survived for almost two millenia without fundamentalist Protestants to tell us the right way to believe.

Aren't Anglicans kinda on the fence anyway?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Evolution explains the biodiversity of species based on observable mechanisms. If there were observable mechanisms by which a 'creator' is specifically creating modern organisms, then I'm sure that could be incorporated.

But the mechanisms required for evolution aren't being observed (or not being explained). Evolution has it's own 'god of the gaps'.

 

[pitabread]

But the mechanisms required for evolution aren't being observed (or not being explained).

Of course they're being observed. We observe reproduction, recombination, natural selection, mutations, genetic drift...

What do you think the mechanisms for evolution are exactly?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Of course they're being observed. We observe reproduction, recombination, natural selection, mutations, genetic drift... What do you think the mechanisms for evolution are exactly?

All the changes needed, most of which remain a mystery.

 

[Speedwell]

Aren't Anglicans kinda on the fence anyway?

It's regarded as a personal option--we don't have to think of ourselves as Protestants if we don't want to.

 

[sfs]

LOL! In the first place, it is far from fact.

LOL! It's very much a fact. (See how easy this style of argument is?)

Certainly not empirical so you are overstating. Don't confuse fact with wishful thinking.

It a conclusion based on an immense array of empirical data. Don't confuse your lack of understanding with an absence of evidence.

Well I am not convinced and browbeating will certainly not work. Also, they were well aware of the similarities long before when they were doing autopsies on apes because they could not do them on humans hundreds of years ago. They did not need biologists to see the similarity. They did not need them to study ape anatomy and extrapolate to humans.

Nice but irrelevant.

So you don't need it. It is worthless.

[Staff edit]. "I don't need it for the work I do" does not mean "worthless". I don't need a dump truck or a heart-lung machine, but that doesn't make them worthless.

Yet you do believe all male-female reproduction came from asexual reproduction in a step by step blind unguided process where both sexes developed compatible body parts at the same time across a wide variety of creatures?

Have you ever considered studying biology?

so show us the required economy course about ancient Philistine economic systems and why it is necessary.

Bad analogies don't get better by repeating them.

 

[sfs]

God is not the author of confusion.....

That doesn't stop many of his followers from being deeply confused.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's regarded as a personal option--we don't have to think of ourselves as Protestants if we don't want to.

I'm not strictly a Protestant as I have some reservations.

 

[sfs]

Garbage. If they are studying the origin of life here then they are overlapping into Theology. You are just submitting an artificial barrier where truth takes a back seat to ginned up rules.

If they're studying the origin of disease, or the origin of rain, or how plants grow, then they're also overlapping into theology. So what? None of those scientific disciplines address God, but for some reason you don't attack them for it.

So you are saying science cannot tell you the purpose of gravity is to keep your feet on the ground.

Yup. I am indeed saying that. If you think otherwise, point me to the scientific publication that tells us that the purpose of gravity is to keep our feet on the ground.

 

[pitabread]

All the changes needed, most of which remain a mystery.

I think you're confusing the outcome of mechanisms with the mechanisms themselves.

All the changes we observe are a result of the observable evolutionary mechanisms will observe as ongoing today.

Or to put it another way, there is nothing magical happening in the past that is somehow different that what would otherwise observed to be occurring today.

 

[sfs]

But the mechanisms required for evolution aren't being observed (or not being explained).

Sure they are.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That doesn't stop many of his followers from being deeply confused.

That depends on how closely one is following.

In basic training I was the "guide-on bearer", and marched at the head of the column with the CO. Unlike those further back in the column I knew exactly where we were going.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sure they are.

I think they are believed more than they are understood.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think you're confusing the outcome of mechanisms with the mechanisms themselves.

All the changes we observe are a result of the observable evolutionary mechanisms will observe as ongoing today.

The mechanism is pretty mysterious, you'll have to admit.

You can't leave out links in a chain of needed information. If evolution is a straight-line process each process must be understood, otherwise enter 'god of the scientific gaps'. From my viewpoint evolution always poses more questions than answers, to the point where the whole thing is incomprehensible.

 

[pitabread]

The mechanism is pretty mysterious, you'll have to admit.

What's so mysterious about reproduction, genetic variations, natural selection, etc... ?

You can't leave out links in a chain of needed information. If evolution is a straight-line process each process must be understood, otherwise enter 'god of the scientific gaps'.

The step-by-step process is the same all the way through. It's basically recursive in nature with changes building on top of prior changes.

A great example of how it works can be seen in the use of genetic algorithms for design. Whereby the process itself is relatively simple, but the output can sometimes baffle even those who create the algorithm.