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What does "except there come a falling away first" in 2 Thess. 2:3 mean?

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Added to this is - "and the man of sin be revealed". This passage to my mind,is speaking of the great shaking that is to occur in Christendom. Not all who call themselves Christians are Christians. Some are wolves in sheep's clothing not living up to the expectations of the word of GOD. It is fair to say that we see that happening now. Even in my church I see many people who ought to know and do what GOD has enjoined are falling away and following fables and clever and seductive philosophies of satan.

GOD wants a clean and a pure church, and many of us as Christians are neither pure nor clean. We are just cumberers of the ground, using valuable real estate to which we are not entitled, and we will be forced to vacate to make way for those who are sincere seekers of truth.

Many church organisations have gone directly against the commands of GOD to do as they please. There is cowardly ecumenism instead of standing for the truth delivered to the early apostles. There is immorality is practised even in the churches called by GOD'S name. Ministers and people are doing insidious and abominable things and are seeking for GOD to accept their sinful lifestyles. There is rampant sin and worldliness of every kind that GOD has to deal with before the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds of heaven.

The man of sin is the papacy which has been giving drink to the kings of the earth and those people who will not do the will of GOD. The church of Rome is a church of deceit, lies, and all manner of evil. The doctrine of that organisation is called wine - the wine of Babylon which makes people drunk and unaware of the requirements of GOD.

The falling away is the insincere and ungodly who will be forced out from among the sincere people of GOD just as JESUS had to force Judas from His presence so He could continue the Last Supper with His true disciples. They will have to make a decision, and since they are not inclined to serve GOD the decision will be to leave His people. This will not be a happy time neither for GOD nor their sincere brethren. But things will come to a head. Those remaining will be made clean and purified and will be prepared for the coming of the LORD.
 
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And where may I ask did you obtain qualificatios to teach the Bible?
Yada, yada to Tom Ice and his teachings. He also teaches that we will be sacrificing the blood of bulls and goats for atonement in a future third temple.

Excuse me Mr. Ice but you can have your blood of bulls and goats, that is a common thing. I'll stay with my Lord's blood which is not a common thing.
 
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According to the Scriptures, he will be revealed in Dan.9:27, when He confirms a seven year covenant with many.
Daniel 9 does not say anything about an anti-Christ making a seven year covenant with anyone.
It does however, predict the destruction of the Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans in AD 70.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
 
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Hank, I don't think anyone here would disagree with you that Daniel 9:26 does apply to the Romans destruction of the temple in 70AD.

But I think you referred to the wrong verse in the New Testament. Not Matthew 24:15-16, which is end times because the AoD in Daniel 12 is end times, but Luke 21:20-24.

Regarding the Antichrist making a seven year covenant. It is not making a seven year covenant. It is confirming the covenant with many for 7 years.

What that is referring to is a requirement by Moses that all future leaders of Israel confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle. Basically what it will be is a big speech from the temple mount that God gave the children of Israel the land of Israel as theirs forever.

The tie to it being the Antichrist who will do it, Moses made it incumbent on the leadership to make the speech. And the "many" in Daniel 9:27, is that the speech has to be made to assembly of Israel, that is, to the nation.

The Antichrist will be the leader of Israel, being in the position of King of Israel.
 
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But I think you referred to the wrong verse in the New Testament. Not Matthew 24:15-16, which is end times because the AoD in Daniel 12 is end times, but Luke 21:20-24.
I'd like to be able to agree but I don't. Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 are all referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
 
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I'd like to be able to agree but I don't. Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 are all referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
Hank, if you backtrack through the verses in Luke 21, to the first couple of verses you will see Jesus was speaking in the temple; at least some of the disciples were present (have to backtrack into Luke 20). What I think happened was that as they left the temple area to spend the night on the Mt. of Olives, which is the location of Matthew 24, the disciples that weren''t there at the temple when Luke 21 was taking place, were talking along the walk to the Mt. Olives, with them who were there.

So, when they got to the Mt. Olives, they wanted to hear from Jesus himself, and hence the opening questions in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 contains additional material to Luke 21, including reference to the abomination of desolation.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 
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According to the NIV 1st Century Study Bible,

2:3 Man of lawlessness. This concept (see also vv. 4, 9) is rooted in particular Old Testament images of a king who exalts himself as divine (see Isa 14:13–14, Eze 28:2, Da 6:7). An eschatological wicked king or leader, like the Old Testament figures, was an anticipated concept in Jewish thought before Paul’s writings. For example, an eschatological evil king features prominently in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it seems likely that such a figure influenced the notion of an “anti-Christ” in the New Testament.

In its proper 1st century AD context, the term (apparently) refers to a self-proclaimed "god king", down on planet earth, who will claim to have "Cosmic inter-galactic powers over the whole fabric of space-time", for the purpose of breaking, dominating, & subjugating the population of people upon this planet. The usual proof of such humbling & humiliating dominance is to practice human sacrifice, to the "god-king's own personal glory", as some accuse emperor Hadrian of doing to St. Eustace in 118 AD, and emperor Heliogabalus again more widely a century later -- burning humans alive in Canaanite / Phoenician / Carthaginian style brazen bull furnaces:



Effectively the same "religious" motif is worldwide, effectively a common global world "religion". Cp. Wicker Man resurrected in the modern Burning Man Festival for "Belus", Aztecs terrorizing central Americans in Mexico for "Tlaloc the God of the sky & heaven", sacrificing humans into the foundations of buildings across Canaan, the Middle East, and southern Asia as far as the Pacific. Judging only by "core fundamentals" (sacrificing humans on earth for perceived god(s) in the sky & heaven inspirationally incarnated into human 'god-kings' on earth) and not judging by superficial "covers of books", it basically is / has been a one-world-wide "religion" for millennia.

In the End Time (Rev 20:7-9) it is (apparently perhaps) scheduled to rise to (more obviously unified) predominance over the planet & its population globally.

"All hail [some string of powerful sounding alien sounds] incarnated onto planet earth, sacrifice human terrestrials, sacrifice them, slaughter & slay on earth, slaughter & slay, slaughter & slay on earth... do it do it do it's a good idea seriously seriously go go go..."
 
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Erik what men do at times is insane. I don't even like to think about it.
 
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